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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    They only privatized some companies in early days which they overtook later, their notion was anti-capitalistic. This is not pigmentation to make relative comparisons, fascist Italy was the first Western state to recognize the Soviet Union and in early days their best trade partner.
    But although major industries and services were indeed nationalised by Mussolini, he never ever advocated the wholesale collectivised command economy as found in the USSR, Maoist China and their various client regimes. Crucially, agriculture was kept privately-owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    But although major industries and services were indeed nationalised by Mussolini, he never ever advocated the wholesale collectivised command economy as found in the USSR, Maoist China and their various client regimes. Crucially, agriculture was kept privately-owned.
    You fall in a trap here, you confuse private ownership with private trade. The farmers will keep their farms but they can't trade without national control, this is the infamous battle for grain whereas Musolini limited the agricultural imports to Italy to promote self-sufficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    You fall in a trap here, you confuse private ownership with private trade. The farmers will keep their farms but they can't trade without national control, this is the infamous battle for grain whereas Mussolini limited the agricultural imports to Italy to promote self-sufficiency.
    Well even the market-oriented European Union has the Common Agricultural Policy, so what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Well even the market-oriented European Union has the Common Agricultural Policy, so what?
    Do they prohibit imports from all non-European countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    Do they prohibit imports from all non-European countries?
    No, but the tariffs on non-EU imports can be very high.

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    So in short, there is no real consensus as to what "fascism" means then?

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    No, not at all. Pinochets economic model was Libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    Do they prohibit imports from all non-European countries?
    Btw, would you classify Papadopoulos as Fascist or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Btw, would you classify Papadopoulos as Fascist or not?
    Mainly as CIA agent, more in May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noonz View Post
    Of course, I don't know on what planet Pinochet isn't considered a fascist. Perhaps economically he wasn't but that's it. Either way, the atrocities committed by that disgusting traitor and his dictatorship will never be forgotten.

    What happened on 9/11/1973 shows exactly how despicable the imperialists are, how far they're willing to go, and exactly how little they care for the sovereignty of other nations.
    On 9/11/2001, the people of the United States suffered for the crimes of their government.
    On 9/11/1973, the people of Chile suffered because they democratically exercised their right to vote who they wanted into office.

    RIP Allende, a great man who didn't deserve to get overthrown by a disgraceful US lapdog.
    As much as I sympathise with some of what you wrote, at the end of the day if by "Fascism" you merely mean aggressive and violent authoritarianism, then on that basis the biggest fascists of all were communists!

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