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    Default Russia Will Be One-Third Muslim in 15 Years, Chief Mufti Predicts


    Ravil Gainutdin, chairman of the Council of Muftis

    Around 30 percent of the Russian population will practice Islam within the next 15 years, Russia’s grand mufti has predicted, citing demographic trends.

    Russia’s Muslim-majority regions, including republics in the North Caucasus and the republic of Tatarstan, are known to have the highest birth rates in the country, reflecting similar trends worldwide. Various estimates place the current Muslim population in Russia at between 14 million and 20 million people, or between 10 to 14 percent of Russia's total population of 146.8 million in 2018.

    “According to experts, Russia’s [Muslim] population will increase to 30 percent in a decade and a half,” said Ravil Gainutdin, the chairman of the Council of Muftis, a religious group representing Russia’s Muslim community.

    The changing demographics mean that “dozens” of new mosques will need to be built in Russia’s largest cities, Gainutdin said at a forum hosted by the State Duma on Monday.

    Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov, an official in Russia’s Orthodox Church, agreed with Gainutdin’s forecast and predicted that “there won't be any Russians left in 2050.”

    “It’s too late,” he told the Govorit Moskva radio station when asked if the demographic trend could be reversed.


    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/...redicts-a64706

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    The 'Dear Leader" of Russian Orthodoxy , Vladimir Putin said, “Russia originally evolved as a multi-nationality and multi-confessional state. You know Orthodox Christianity... is much closer to Islam than to Roman Catholicism.”

    http://www.baltinfo.ru/2010/12/16/Pr...--Putin-177816

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacific Highlander View Post
    The 'Dear Leader" of Russian Orthodoxy , Vladimir Putin said, “Russia originally evolved as a multi-nationality and multi-confessional state. You know Orthodox Christianity... is much closer to Islam than to Roman Catholicism.”

    http://www.baltinfo.ru/2010/12/16/Pr...--Putin-177816
    It's not a correct translation of what Putin said! He said: «Россия изначально складывалась как многонациональное и многоконфессиональное государство. Вы знаете, у нас восточное христианство, и некоторые теоретики говорят, что оно намного ближе к исламу, чем католицизм»

    And here is the correct translation:

    "Russia originally evolved as a multi-national and multi-confessional state. You know, we have Eastern Christianity, and some theorists say that it is much closer to Islam than Catholicism [is closer to Islam]"

    So that phrase in no way means as you did claim that Putin said something like "Orthodox Christianity is much closer to Islam than to Roman Catholicism".

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    One quotation just for information:

    "...Россия — это неславянская страна. К территориям, населенным древними околославянскими народностями, можно отнести лишь Смоленск, Курск, Брянск — территории древних кривичей (славянизированных западными славянами балтов). Остальные земли — финские, где никаких славян никогда не жило: чудь, мурома, мордва,пермь, вятичи и прочие. Сами главные топонимы исторической Московии — все финские: Москва, Муром, Рязань (Эрзя), Вологда, Кострома, Суздаль, Тула и т. д. Эти территории были за несколько веков завоеваны колонистами-ободритами Рюрика, приплывшими с Лабы (Эльбы), однако число колонистов (построивших возле Ладоги Новгород — как продолжение существовавшего тогда полабского Старогорода — ныне Ольденбурга) было в этих краях крайне мало. В редких городках-крепостях, основанных ободритами-русинами и норманнами (датчанами и шведами), жила горстка колониальных правителей с дружиной — сеть этих крепостей-колоний и называлась «Русью». А 90 — 95% населения края было неславянскими туземцами, подчинявшимися этим более цивилизованным оккупантам.

    Языком колоний был славянский койне — то есть язык, служащий для общения между народами с разными диалектами и языками. Постепенно за многие века местное туземное население перенимало этот койне;

    в Новгородской земле, как пишет академик Янов, этот процесс занял минимум 250 лет — судя по языку берестяных грамот, который из саамского становится постепенно индоевропейским, славянским аналитическим языком (с вынесенными за слово флексиями) и только затем нормальным славянским синтетическим. Кстати, об и пишет Нестор в «Повести временных лет»: что саамы Ладоги постепенно выучили славянский язык Рюрика и стали после этого называться «словенами» — то есть понимающими слово, в противоположность «немцам», немым — то есть языка не понимающим. (Термин «славяне» не имеет никакого отношения к термину «словене», так как происходит от изначального «склавены».) Вторыми после ладожских саамов стали перенимать славянский койне северные финские народы — мурома, весь (вепсы), чудь, но у них процесс занял гораздо больше времени, а у более южных финнов непосредственно мордовской Москвы и ее окружения принятие славянского койне затянулось до петровских времен, а кое-где и сохранились свои исконные туземные языки — как язык эрзя Рязани или финский говор вятичей. Характерное «оканье» населения Центральной России сегодня ошибочно считается «старославянским», хотя это — чисто финский диалект, который как раз отражает незавершенность славянизации края. (Кстати, лапти — это тоже чисто финский атрибут: славяне никогда лаптей не носили, а носили только кожаную обувь — тогда как все финские народы носят лапти.)

    Во время Золотой Орды Московия на три века уходит к этнически родственным народам финно-угров, которые собирали под свою власть ордынские цари. В этот период на язык региона оказывает огромное влияние тюркский язык (как часть вообще огромного влияния Азии).

    Показательна книга Афанасия Никитина (конец XV века) о «хождении за три моря». Там автор запросто переходит со славяно-финского койне Московии на ордынский язык, разницы в них не видя, а заканчивает свою книгу благодарственной молитвой: «Во имя Аллаха Милостивого и Милосердного и Исуса Духа Божия. Аллах велик...» В подлиннике: «Бисмилля Рахман Рахим. Иса Рух Уалло. Аллах акбар. Аллах керим». В то время общей для Московии и Орды была религия, являвшаяся гибридом ислама и христианства арианского толка (равно почитали Иисуса и Магомета), а разделение веры произошло с 1589 г., когда Москва приняла греческий канон, а Казань приняла чистый ислам.

    В средневековой Московии существовало одновременно несколько языков:

    1. Околославянский койне — как язык княжеской знати и народные языки туземцев (финские).

    2. Тюркские языки как религиозные в период пребывания в Орде и после захвата Иваном Грозным власти в Орде (до 1589 г.).

    3. И, наконец, болгарский язык — как язык православных текстов и религиозных культов..."

    www.newsland.ru/News/Detail/id/540784/cat/42/

    "... Russia is a non-Slavic country. Only Smolensk, Kursk and Bryansk are the territories of the ancient Krivichy (the Balts slavanized by Western Slavs). The rest of the land is Finnish, where no Slavs ever lived: Chud , Murom, Mordva, Perm, Vyatichi and others. The main toponyms of historical Muscovy are all Finnish: Moscow, Murom, Ryazan (Erzya), Vologda, Kostroma, Suzdal, Tula, etc. These territories were conquered for several centuries by the colonists- encouraged by Rurik, came from Laba (Elbe), however, the number of colonists (who had built Novgorod near Ladoga - as a continuation of the existing Polab Starogorod then Oldenburg) was extremely small in these parts. In rare fortress towns founded by the Rusians and Normans (Danes and Swedes) , lived a handful of colonial rulers with a squad - the network of these fortresses-colonies was called “Rus.” And 90 - 95% of the population of the region were non-Slavic natives, subject to these more civilized invaders.

    The language of the colonies was Slavic Koine - that is, a language that serves to communicate between nations with different dialects and languages. Gradually, over many centuries, the local native population adopted this Koine;

    in the Novgorod land, as Academician Yanov writes, this process took at least 250 years — judging by the birch bark language, which of the Saami gradually becomes Indo-European, Slavic analytical language (with the inflections given for the word) and only then the normal Slavic synthetic. By the way, Nestor writes about this in “The Tale of Bygone Years”: that Saami Ladoga gradually learned the Slavic language of Rurik and then began to be called “Slovenes” - that is, understand the word, as opposed to "Nemtsi" (“Germans”), dumb - that is, do not understand the language. (The term “Slavs” has nothing to do with the term “Slovenes”, since it comes from the original “Slavs”.) Secondly, after the Ladoga Saami, the Finnish northern peoples began to adopt the Slav Koine - the Ves (Vepps) Chud, but they have a process It took much more time, and the more southern Finns directly from Mordovia Moscow and its surroundings took the Slavic Koine to the time of Peter the Great, and in some places their native indigenous languages remained - like the language of Erzya Ryazan or Finnish. The characteristic “okanie” of the population of Central Russia today is mistakenly considered “Old Slavonic”, although this is a purely Finnish dialect, which just reflects the incompleteness of the Slavicization of the region. (By the way, bast shoes are also a purely Finnish attribute: the Slavs never wore bast shoes, and only wore leather shoes — whereas all Finnish people wear bast shoes.)

    During the Golden Horde of Muscovy for three centuries goes to the ethnically related peoples of the Finno-Ugric peoples, who were collected by the Horde kings under their rule. During this period, the language of the region is greatly influenced by the Turkic language (as part of the great influence of Asia in general).

    Indicative of the book of Afanasy Nikitin (late XV century) about the "walking over three seas." There, the author easily switches from Muscovy to the Horde language, not seeing the difference in them, but ends his book with a thankful prayer: “In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, and Jesus the Spirit of God. Allah is great ... ”In the original:“ Bismill Rahman Rahim. Isa Ruh Wallo. Allah Akbar. Allah Kerim. At that time, a common religion for Muscovy and the Horde was a hybrid of Islam and Arian Christianity (they equally worshiped Jesus and Mahomet), and the separation of faith occurred in 1589, when Moscow adopted the Greek canon, and Kazan adopted pure Islam.

    In medieval Muscovy there existed simultaneously several languages:

    1. near-Slavic Koine - as the language of the princely nobility and the native languages of the aborigines (Finnish).

    2. Turkic languages as religious during their stay in the Horde and after Ivan the Terrible seized power in the Horde (before 1589).

    3. And finally, the Bulgarian language - as the language of Orthodox texts and religious cults ... "

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    They obviously have demographic problems in low fertility rates and millions of Muslims too.

    But id bet this projection is bs.

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    You can try and sugarcoat what Putin said, but we all know what exactly his sentiment was. He also said if you read the article:

    "All citizens of Russia, of any religion and of any nationality, should realize that we have one common homeland ”

    This is something a neo-liberal globalist puppet like Macron or Obama would say... you wonder why gullible right-wingers fawn over muh based Putin and Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacific Highlander View Post
    You can try and sugarcoat what Putin said, but we all know what exactly his sentiment was. He also said if you read the article:

    "All citizens of Russia, of any religion and of any nationality, should realize that we have one common homeland ”

    This is something a neo-liberal globalist puppet like Macron or Obama would say... you wonder why gullible right-wingers fawn over muh based Putin and Russia.
    What is even wrong in that phrase??? Isn't it what any wise state man should say to his people?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsen_ View Post
    What is even wrong in that phrase??? Isn't it what any wise state man should say to his people?!
    Of course you wouldn't understand what's wrong with what he said, you're an Armenian living in Russia.
    Last edited by Pacific Highlander; 04-04-2019 at 10:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacific Highlander View Post
    Of course you would understand what's wrong with what he said, you're an Armenian living in Russia.
    You seem to be absolutely clueless about what is Russia. Russia has never been a separate business of one ethnicity!

    Russia is an empire and a meritocracy. No one man in power in Russia ever gave a flying fuck about who is Russian living in Russia, and who is non-Russian.

    The next day after Russia become the separate business of one ethnicity it will break and collapse into dust!

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