Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun,Avar & conquering Hungarian period people of the Carpathian Basin

[Harkonnen]

Yes, but Karos was an elite warrior and aristocratic cemetery with full of silk costumes, gold artifacts, badges and weapons. So their YDNA halplogroup were not some local's heritage from the Carpathian-basin or the Eastern European forest steppe! These YDNA haplogroups were the common haplogropus of the 8th-9th century steppe warriors between the Carpathians and the Urals.

There was a significant Varangian/Viking presence in the Carpathian basin in the 10-11th century (and Magyar presence in some Scandinavian trading center, Birka for example). Maybe some of the elite warriors were Magyarized Varangian between the guardsmens of Karos for example. But this was the only non-steppic connection of these warriors.

There were no Turkic-Magyars in Birka. The Sigtuna outliers were apparently genetically pretty much identical to IronAge Proto-Finnics. The paper is not out yet, but this is what Finnish genetics have said.


The Magyar Conquerors were also notably swarthy population, so in that sense BirkaGermanic-Magyar connection seems highly unlikely. Maybe the 2 very light pigmented N1c1 guys who belonged to Karelian clade might have some genetics from those outlier types. It is well known fact there was Finnish migration to Volga, and there exists even some Finnish I1 types in Volga and deeper even into Siberia.

[Harkonnen]

Turkic Magyars at Birka LMAO

[Neowarior]

BTW, the N1c clade that Avars have is common among Chukchis, Buryats, Eskimos and Koryaks. It's not an Uralic-Baltic clade. So Y-DNA doesn't support this Finno-Ugric language theory etiher.

[MagnusDark]

Wait so how exactly can the R1a/I2a din in these conquerors cases be "Slavic" When it was just mentioned that they were elite Magyars carrying this Y? If they were non-slavic elite with these lineages then they were assimilated earlier in the east prior to spreading out. I thought Slavs were only used as soldiers/military and not given any elite status. What does their autosomal profile show as well?

[MagnusDark]

All this studies are about conquerors and not commoners who lived in Carpathian Basin before them. But conquerors had chance to assimilate many different people before settling Hungary.
Here, for example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etelk%C3%B6z

So why is Peterski calling them Slavic? If they are genetically Magyar, and elite commanders how exactly are they Slavic? They're not Proto-Magyar sure, but they're still Magyar if the lineage was assimilated much earlier. Which proves my point. The late Iron/Early Middle ages were chaotic. This goes to show not all R1a/I2 at that time was specifically Slavic and had clades on ethnically differentiated folk. Sure an assimilated Proto-Slav. Still a Magyar, not a Slav. Linguistically and genetically apparently.

[Adam Janossy]

So why is Peterski calling them Slavic? If they are genetically Magyar, and elite commanders how exactly are they Slavic? They're not Proto-Magyar sure, but they're still Magyar if the lineage was assimilated much earlier. Which proves my point. The late Iron/Early Middle ages were chaotic. This goes to show not all R1a/I2 at that time was specifically Slavic and had clades on ethnically differentiated folk. Sure an assimilated Proto-Slav. Still a Magyar, not a Slav. Linguistically and genetically apparently.

Interesting how your clade is never found in ancient DNA. I wonder why

[Ayetooey]

So why is Peterski calling them Slavic? If they are genetically Magyar, and elite commanders how exactly are they Slavic? They're not Proto-Magyar sure, but they're still Magyar if the lineage was assimilated much earlier. Which proves my point. The late Iron/Early Middle ages were chaotic. This goes to show not all R1a/I2 at that time was specifically Slavic and had clades on ethnically differentiated folk. Sure an assimilated Proto-Slav. Still a Magyar, not a Slav. Linguistically and genetically apparently.

I wonder many people not just in Hungary but further south have I2a/R1a from these conquering Magyars, very interesting indeed.

And yes it's false to call these people paternally slavic in this context; but Magyarised mesolithic HG Europeans.

[Harkonnen]

BTW, the N1c clade that Avars have is common among Chukchis, Buryats, Eskimos and Koryaks. It's not an Uralic-Baltic clade. So Y-DNA doesn't support this Finno-Ugric language theory etiher.

Yes this is what I've been saying. It is basically Mongolian branch of N1c1. Also mtDna of those dudes was extremely eastern. I'd be surprised if they spoke Finno-Ugric.

[Peterski]

So why is Peterski calling them Slavic? If they are genetically Magyar, and elite commanders how exactly are they Slavic?

How do you know they are genetically Magyar?

Autosomal genomes are not yet available.

When it becomes available I'll upload to GEDmatch.

[Adam Janossy]

Yes this is what I've been saying. It is basically Mongolian branch of N1c1. Also mtDna of those dudes was extremely eastern. I'd be surprised if they spoke Finno-Ugric.

What about the fact among conquerors FU dna is minor, even if present ?