Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun,Avar & conquering Hungarian period people of the Carpathian Basin

[Adam Janossy]

So whats with the I2a? Assimilated Slavs who were already present in Hungary, or did these clades come from the east with these Hun/Avars?

No. This are all military leader graves and most high status burials were I2a. But they don't belong to dinaric clade unlike two conqueros from previous study (one was din S, other din N)
This branch is something different. Looks like L621 which is upstream from dinaric.

[Dick]

Yes, the theory is Avars were Hungarian speakers and looking at their genetics it really could be (Siberian autosomally, N haplogroup dominance).

in other words the Magyars only imposed their name?

[Harkonnen]

How fucking dumb you people can be?

[Adam Janossy]

in other words the Magyars only imposed their name?

I would like if some Hungarian member explain this theory better

[Harkonnen]

I'm pleased to see the hwuaitest Conqueror Magyar was N1c1 dude KEF2

eye color blue/0,64
hair colour light/brown 1,0/0,51
skin colour very pale/0,54

[Dick]

I would like if some Hungarian member explain this theory better

Okay. I hope they are correct with the I1 too since the neolithic one found in Hungary wasn't I1 but plain I.

[Peterski]

This is final nail to the coffin about Finno-Ugric genetic origin of Hungarian conquerors. Looks like only language was FU while genetics, mostly Turkic. Congrats to Turul Karom because this study gives lot of credit to his ideas

"Population genetic data rather position the Conqueror elite among Turkic groups, Bashkirs and Volga Tatars, in agreement with contemporary historical accounts which denominated the Conquerors as Turks"

The uniform paternal lineages of the small Karos3 (19 graves) and Magyarhomorog (17 graves) cemeteries approve patrilinear organization of these communities. The identical I2a1a2b Hg-s of Magyarhomorog individuals appears to be frequent among high-ranking Conquerors, as the most distinguished graves in the Karos2 and 3 cemeteries also belong to this lineage. The Karos2 and Karos3 leaders were brothers with identical mitogenomes 11 and Ychromosomal STR profiles (Fóthi unpublished). The Sárrétudvari commoner cemetery seems distinct from the others, containing other sorts of European Hg-s. Available Y-chromosomal and mtDNA data 11 from this cemetery suggest that common people of the 10th century rather represented resident population than newcomers.

Most elite graves - I2a

What if Bashkirs and Volga Tatars are only linguistically Turkic but genetically Finno-Ugric?

To be honest I2a is not a typically Turkic haplogroup because it is a West Eurasian haplogroup that was common among WHG and EHG hunter-gatherers, who were ancestors of Finno-Ugric people such as Estonians.

[Harkonnen]

Thank you, we just discussed this possibility because I never heard about N1a before. In that case dual conquest theory still could be true. The hypotesis:
Hungarian Finno-Ugric language arrived with Avars who were mostly N and very Siberian genetically, while conqueror elite was Turkic and non-Hungarian speaking.

Stears supports this theory.

https://journals.library.ualberta.ca...icle/view/7/17

I hate when they change nomenclature! It creates great deal of confusion.

You did not happend to notice that according to your low IQ Hungarian paper almost all the Conqueror N guys were 100% European while many of the R1 dudes were 100% East Asian?

[Harkonnen]

What if Bashkirs and Volga Tatars are only linguistically Turkic but genetically Finno-Ugric?

The whole paper is complete bullshit what comes to autosomal dna.

[Adam Janossy]

What if Bashkirs and Volga Tatars are only linguistically Turkic but genetically Finno-Ugric?

To be honest I2a is not a typically Turkic haplogroup because it is a West Eurasian haplogroup that was common among WHG and EHG hunter-gatherers, who were ancestors of Finno-Ugric people such as Estonians.

Hmm. Have studied Volga Tatars and many have significant Finno-Ugric genetics but also Turkic. Some Russian scientist suggested they may have been language switchers.
Baskhirs are more purely Turkic. I have anthropological book about Soviet minorities and Baskhirs were discribed as strongly Turanid racially and more Turkic compared with Tatars.

Funny because genetically they are more east eurasian than Volga Tatars too I2 is not Turkic for sure.