Resultados elecciones catalanas 2024.

[gixajo]

Winner PSOE.

Ciudadanos disappears, its votes gone mostly to PP and some to PSOE.

A new extreme right anti-inmigration Catalonian nationalist party appears with 3 seats.(Aliança Catalana)

74 no independentist Versus 61 independentist (135 seats.)

Mostl likely PSOE will form governement with ERC (Catalonian nationalist left) and Comuns/Sumar (no-nationalist left former Podemos).

Second option could be PSOE+Junts (plus others if they want).

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espan...recto_3880110/

[Tooting Carmen]

A strong showing for the Left then - certainly compared to many other parts of Europe.

[gixajo]

A strong showing for the Left then - certainly compared to many other parts of Europe.

Catalan elections, as well as Basque elections, tend to move as much or more with the coordinates of nationalism-independentism/"unionism" than with the left/right coordinates.

What seems clear is that these results show that "el procés" has lost inertia, hopefully the debate in Catalonia will return to what was usual before all that ridiculously poorly played blackmail to the state that represented the threat of independence.

[Tooting Carmen]

Catalan elections, as well as Basque elections, tend to move as much or more with the coordinates of nationalism-independentism/"unionism" than with the left/right coordinates.

Granted, but even so the lack of any populist-right movement of note is striking.

[gixajo]

A strong showing for the Left then - certainly compared to many other parts of Europe.

Actually it´s the opposite if we compare it with the 2021 elections.

left seats in 2021 (PSOE+ERC+COMUNS+CUP)=83
left seats in 2024 (PSOE+ERC+Comuns+CUP)=72

right seats in 2021(Junts+PP+VOX+Ciudadanos)=52
right seats in 2024(Junts+PP+VOX+Aliança Catalana)=63

[Tooting Carmen]

Actually it´s the opposite if we compare it with the 2021 elections.

left seats in 2021 (PSOE+ERC+COMUNS+CUP)=83
left seats in 2024 (PSOE+ERC+Comuns+CUP)=72

right seats in 2021(Junts+PP+VOX+Ciudadanos)=52
right seats in 2024(Junts+PP+VOX+Aliança Catalana)=63

Hence why I wrote compared to many other parts of Europe, where the shift to the Right has been far more drastic.

[Teutone]

Winner PSOE.

Ciudadanos disappears, its votes gone mostly to PP and some to PSOE.

A new extreme right anti-inmigration Catalonian nationalist party appears with 3 seats.(Aliança Catalana)

74 no independentist Versus 61 independentist (135 seats.)

Mostl likely PSOE will form governement with ERC (Catalonian nationalist left) and Comuns/Sumar (no-nationalist left former Podemos).

Second option could be PSOE+Junts (plus others if they want).

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espan...recto_3880110/

Aliança Catalana

How is it extreme right when its economically and socially liberal and is only critical on migration?

Its vocally pro feminism, abortion and for gay marriage.

If that is extreme right, I am gladly a national bolshevik.

[gixajo]

Hence why I wrote compared to many other parts of Europe, where the shift to the Right has been far more drastic.

Sorry I haven´t read you well.

yes, you are right, there has not been a drastic increase of that kind, no drastic one, but there is some shift to the right.

I think it would be desirable for both extremes to disappear and to the traditional parties to return to moderation and that the PSOE especially stop creating confrontation for electoral purposes, delegitimizing even a moderate right-wing party such as the PP.

Also traditional parties, both right and left moderate, should to take note that some of the problems denounced by some far-right parties are real and they must stop denying their existence in order to solve them.

[gixajo]

Aliança Catalana

How is it extreme right when its economically and socially liberal and is only critical on migration?

Its vocally pro feminism, abortion and for gay marriage.

If that is extreme right, I am gladly a national bolshevik.

You know, in Spain anything that doesn´t follow the "official speech" is "facha".

That Catalan party is identitarian and anti-immigration, it would have an equivalent in certain so-called "ultra-right" Dutch parties.

But happens also in the other way, because feminism, abortion or gay marriage, actually were never been a left thing till this posmodern pseudo-left started.

In reality, in modern politics the old labels of left and right are not enough to define any party.