Light eyes map of Europe (detail, scientifically backed)

**Supercomputer** · 07-20-2019, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by War Chief

Can you do a light hair map?

This is really impressive work.

The idea came as soon as I thought of doing a eye color map, but it's more difficult due to the fact that studies are done on subjects of different ages. Some studies are done on children (Virchow Germany) others on adolescents (Livi Italy) others on adults and sometimes on adults + children combined. I would pick one criteria if there was data on all European countries but there isn't.

**caviezel** · 07-20-2019, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Supercomputer

No, low IQ is assuming they measured without using any unifying criteria. The data fits very well with ToeKneeHwin's numbers as well as studies on Italian parliament and athletes on this forum. Livi's data is best for whole Italy so far.

studies on Italian parliament and athletes show (among other things) that Bergamo is lighter than Savona or La Spezia and that Emilia is lighter than Umbria which is not what you see in Livi. therefore I can't trust his data.

**Ikiru** · 07-20-2019, 11:56 AM

I've tried to check the source of the Polish figures but I only found stats of blue and grey blue eyes. Could someone post the correct study or an extract of it? Poland seems too light-eyed to me and I think the correct pattern is more alike that of ToeKneeHwin's map although I could be wrong.

**Supercomputer** · 07-20-2019, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by caviezel

studies on Italian parliament and athletes show (among other things) that Bergamo is lighter than Savona or La Spezia and that Emilia is lighter than Umbria which is not what you see in Livi. therefore I can't trust his data.

One thing low IQ person would do is trust amateur studies with small sample sizes over scientific ones with large sample sizes. Another thing is ignoring the very obvious historical migrations within Italy since late 19th century.

**Supercomputer** · 07-20-2019, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ikiru

I've tried to check the source of the Polish figures but I only found stats of blue and grey blue eyes. Could someone post the correct study or an extract of it? Poland seems too light-eyed to me and I think the correct pattern is more alike that of ToeKneeHwin's map although I could be wrong.

First study 71%, second one 65%, third one 68%

Regional map is based on the pattern of from pre WW2 blue/gray eyes only. Unfortunately no regional data on all light eyes.

**Lucas** · 07-20-2019, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Supercomputer

First study 71%, second one 65%, third one 68%

Regional map is based on the pattern of from pre WW2 blue/gray eyes only. Unfortunately no regional data on all light eyes.

First study is most legit because of huge sample size and people were from all over the country. Also strict Martin scale was used. Survey was taken after war in 1955 - 1956.

71% for first study is too low even if you combine men ans women. Even if you count as light 8-16. Can you explain?

**XenophobicPrussian** · 07-20-2019, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Lukasz

First study is most legit because of huge sample size and people were from all over the country. Also strict Martin scale was used. Survey was taken after war in 1955 - 1956.

71% for first study is too low even if you combine men ans women. Even if you count as light 8-16. Can you explain?

Second study seems most legit to me, it doesn't have an extremely vague "mixed eyes". Poland is definitely around 70%.

**Visage pâle** · 07-20-2019, 11:42 PM

I've found theses recents stats on Spain eye colors

https://www.casacochecurro.com/ojos-...espanoles.html

16,3% azul-gris (blue and grey)
55,2% ojos avellana – verde avellana (light brown, hazel and greenish)
28,5% marrón-negro (brown-black)

**~~Laag~~** · 07-20-2019, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Supercomputer

We know around two thirds of Russians have light eyes according to two studies Wiazemsky and ToeKneeHwin. That would probably translate to 6+ or 7+ on the Bunak scale.

His data for Eastern Europe seems totally wrong. For example, for Karelians, he gives a figure of 68%. According to Russian anthropologist Vitov 87,2% of Karelians have light eyes (6-12 on Bunak scale).

Here's his study work.
https://www.twirpx.com/file/2090649/
Also he have data for Russians. His work is valuable because he gives percentages for each eye color.

Just as I thought ToeKneeHwin takes data from Russian sources and thinks that light eyes includes all light eyes but in Russian anthropology light eyes are only 9-12 on Bunak scale.

**XenophobicPrussian** · 07-20-2019, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Laag

His data for Eastern Europe seems totally wrong. For example, for Karelians, he gives a figure of 68%. According to Russian anthropologist Vitov 87,2% of Karelians have light eyes (6-12 on Bunak scale).

Here's his study work.
https://www.twirpx.com/file/2090649/
Also he have data for Russians. His work is valuable because he gives percentages for each eye color.

Just as I thought ToeKneeHwin takes data from Russian sources and thinks that light eyes includes all light eyes but in Russian anthropology light eyes are only 9-12 on Bunak scale.

ToeKneeHwin's numbers aren't from averaging studies(which is problematic especially for hair colour because of definition) but looking at pictures himself. Again, he may've just done anyone from Karelia rather than actual ethnic Karelians, whose numbers are only 60k.