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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelubey View Post
    I agree about Chuvash.
    Tatars have 35% of Chalmny-Varre. If this is whole Uralic component of Tatars, then I will also agree.
    But I do not imagine Siberian Tatars as model Turkic people. This multicomponent Turkic group was formed relatively recently.
    If you want, you can read Russian sources about the genetics and ethnogenesis of the Siberian Tatars.
    http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=15461
    Well, I was thinking of the non-Turkic component of Kazan Tatars are fully Uralic and that's why I said "mostly Uralic", but apparently there is some Slavic input as well. They seem to be a mixed population that absorbed a degree of Slavic population inside, together with Turkic conquerors and native Uralic community.

    I do not mean Siberian Tatars are proto-Turks, I do mean Siberian Tatars are the closest proxy to proto-Turks. That's because Siberian Tatars have a similar meta admixture breakdown with Proto-Turks. Of course, modern Siberian Tatars have other trigger factors.

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    Can you post the mixed Afanasievo code?
    Code:
    Afanasievo_Mixed,0.07796875,-0.15740675,0.06052775,0.0512765,-0.05147125,0.001255,0.00182125,0.000346,-0.02367375,-0.034215,-0.01140775,-0.00359675,0.00089175,-0.019439,0.019476,0.00914875,0.00136925,-0.000127,0.00012575,0.01638275,-0.01169825,0.00744975,-0.0013865,0.00674775,0.00119725
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Well, I was thinking of the non-Turkic component of Kazan Tatars are fully Uralic and that's why I said "mostly Uralic", but apparently there is some Slavic input as well. They seem to be a mixed population that absorbed a degree of Slavic population inside, together with Turkic conquerors and native Uralic community.
    This is just a hint. The age of some subclades of some hgs of Tatars suggests that the ancestors of Tatars were in contact with northern, northeastern Europeans about 1500-2000 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelubey View Post
    I agree about Chuvash.
    Tatars have 35% of Chalmny-Varre. If this is whole Uralic component of Tatars, then I will also agree.
    But I do not imagine Siberian Tatars as model Turkic people. This multicomponent Turkic group was formed relatively recently.
    If you want, you can read Russian sources about the genetics and ethnogenesis of the Siberian Tatars.
    http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=15461
    Southwestern Siberia, where the Siberian Tatars live, became Turkicized late. Researchers consider them the ancestral home of the Hungarians. These lands were the Great Hungary, the birthplace of the Huns and Hungarians.
    The Byzantine emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus named the ancestors of the Hungarians Savarts-Asphals. Savart is a tribe of Sabir, Siberia.

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    Real Turks, the first people who called themselves Turks, were formed in Altai, in Chinese the Golden Mountains. In 740, they were exterminated by the rebellious Uyghurs, who even destroyed the gravestones. Before that, they managed to create a Vast Empire, the First Turkic Khaganate from Manchuria to the shores of the Azov Sea. Their commanders on the monuments have pronounced Mongoloid facial features. Most likely they come from Xianbei, which corresponds to the Chinese annals.

    Kul Tegin from the Ashina dynasty, a brave knight and protector of the Turkic people.



    Unlike the ruling elite, their subjects, the Uyghurs, are considered Caucasians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hahns View Post
    Turkmens
    Most of the Turkmens and Turks are descendants of the Parthians, who were descendants of Saka Haomavargа. Haoma is a sacred drink of the Aryan tribes.

    Here they are at the monument to Darius I


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post
    Most of the Turkmens and Turks are descendants of the Parthians, who were descendants of Saka Haomavargа. Haoma is a sacred drink of the Aryan tribes.

    Here they are at the monument to Darius I

    But they have mostly Q and are up to 40% East Asian
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    Nykus stop spamming random pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaylı View Post
    Nykus stop spamming random pls
    I gave scientific data in general. No fiction. There are of course many mysteries. This is, for example, the change of the Scythian Iranian-speaking tribes that lived up to Western Mongolia to the Turkic Mongoloid ones.

    The Iranian substrate predominates among the Turkmens and Azerbaijanis. They are too Caucasian. The first capital of Parthia, Nisa, is located in Turkmenistan, the ruins of which are protected by UNESCO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post
    I gave scientific data in general. No fiction. There are of course many mysteries. This is, for example, the change of the Scythian Iranian-speaking tribes that lived up to Western Mongolia to the Turkic Mongoloid ones.

    The Iranian substrate predominates among the Turkmens and Azerbaijanis. They are too Caucasian. The first capital of Parthia, Nisa, is located in Turkmenistan, the ruins of which are protected by UNESCO.
    Are Turkmens too caucasoid? Lol they have mostly y dna Q
    Also these arent scientific you are just posting randomly Wikipedia sources about myth
    Just Kaspias is posting science about this thread others are just posting random things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    I do not mean Siberian Tatars are proto-Turks, I do mean Siberian Tatars are the closest proxy to proto-Turks. That's because Siberian Tatars have a similar meta admixture breakdown with Proto-Turks. Of course, modern Siberian Tatars have other trigger factors.
    One could agree with you about the Siberian Tatars in general, but the Zabolotniye_Tatars are even closer to your proto-Turkic people than the Siberian Tatars in general.
    Here are generalized data on the ethnogenesis of the Zabolotniye_Tatars :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabolotnie_Tatars
    They have very little Turkic component, but they are almost model of proto-Turkic people according to your tools.
    Thus, this tool cannot correctly determine the size of non-Turkic component in individual Turkic ethnic groups. This is more important, since we do not know the real genetics of the proto-Turkic people.
    Last edited by Chelubey; 01-13-2021 at 07:29 AM.

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