Which Turkic ethnicity is genetically closest to Proto Turks?

[Chelubey]

The word you were looking for is "admixture", not "impurities"

Yes, I forgot this word and used a translator.

[Sora]

Meryemgul is probably how ancient Kipchak-Cuman people looked like. Because they were described as "blonde" by many neighboring nations for many times. But I think they still looked very different from Germanic & Slavic populations they've met.

Also I don't agree Volga Tatars are pure Turkic either. The purest Tatars are (for me) Crimean Steppe & Lipka Tatars. Correct me if I'm wrong

[Chelubey]

A lot of captives from Russia were brought there, some of them must have been Islamicized.

Based on haplogroups, Russian-Slavic genetic contribution to the Tatars is very small. It's good that there is modern genetic research and we can reject some myths.

[Mejgusu]

Meryemgul is probably how ancient Kipchak-Cuman people looked like. Because they were described as "blonde" by many neighboring nations for many times. But I think they still looked very different from Germanic & Slavic populations they've met.

Also I don't agree Volga Tatars are pure Turkic either. The purest Tatars are (for me) Crimean Steppe & Lipka Tatars. Correct me if I'm wrong

Tbh i really doubt that Cumans were predominantly blond, at least not those ethnic Cumans. Blondism with Turanid look is really rare among Turkics, they were probably mixed with Ugrics or others. Bashkirs for example are one of the most Steppe shifted Turkics and nevertheless still look like lighter version of Central Asia but nothing more.

[Chelubey]

Also I don't agree Volga Tatars are pure Turkic either. The purest Tatars are (for me) Crimean Steppe & Lipka Tatars. Correct me if I'm wrong

I will correct. Steppe Crimean Tatars are actually Nogais. Their clans - Shirin, Argun, Baryn are possibly of Mongolian origin(Mongols have the same clans).
Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nogais

[Leto]

Based on haplogroups, Russian-Slavic genetic contribution to the Tatars is very small. It's good that there is modern genetic research and we can reject some myths.

Well, it may be small, I don't know. But fact is Tatars have a lot more European in them (autosomally and in terms of Y DNA) than many people realize. Usually it's us who are trolled and scorned as Tatar mixed bastards and some shit like that (people who say so are either ignorant or malicious). And based on DNA studies we have practically nothing Mongolian in us. Sure, modern Russians have more Mongloid admixture than other Europeans except Finno-Ugrics but that has nothing to do with the Golden Horde. Even to this day Volga Tatars are still heavily concentrated in the Volga and Ural Federal Districts, like 80+% of them live between Penza and Tyumen (these claims are easy to fact-check).

[Mejgusu]

Well, it may be small, I don't know. But fact is Tatars have a lot more European in them (autosomally and in terms of Y DNA) than many people realize. Usually it's us who are trolled and scorned as Tatar mixed bastards and some shit like that (people who say so are either ignorant or malicious). And based on DNA studies we have practically nothing Mongolian in us. Sure, modern Russians have more Mongloid admixture than other Europeans except Finno-Ugrics but that has nothing to do with the Golden Horde. Even to this day Volga Tatars are still heavily concentrated in the Volga and Ural Federal Districts, like 80+% of them live between Penza and Tyumen (these claims are easy to fact-check).

You shouldn’t take trolls serious. It’s clear Russians have no Mongolian admixture. I rather use the term east eurasian than mongoloid like west eurasian instead of Caucasian. Golden horde was a Turkomongol-confederation and didnt left any genetic trace. Like i said, Turkic admixture of Russian Turkics mostly came from Bulgars but also from Khazars. Mongols only left genetic impact to Kazakhs, Kirgiz and Hazaras. That east eurasian admixture of some people for example Uzbeks or other people in Central Asia comes from Mongols is a myth.

@Edgü i reported you, its not funny anymore.

[Kaspias]

This is too bold a statement. Can you prove it?

Yes:



Explanation of references

Spoiler!

Distance to:	RUS_Chalmny-Varre
0.02369731	Saami
0.03665417	Saami_Kola
0.05636610	Udmurt
0.05916953	Besermyan
0.06004001	Komi

Distance to:	TKM_Gonur3_BA
0.05457273	Iranian_Mazandarani
0.06974449	Iranian_Fars
0.07001048	Iranian_Seyyed
0.07001823	Iranian_B
0.07058469	Iranian_Zoroastrian

Distance to:	HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.01630492	Polish
0.01868995	Ukrainian
0.02144231	Russian_Voronez
0.02219225	Cossack_Ukrainian
0.02244739	Ukrainian_B

Distance to:	Afanasievo_Mixed
0.05811461	Tatar_Siberian
0.07453513	Tubalar
0.07723235	Bashkir
0.07892836	Nogai
0.08123101	Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye

Although Uralic-like admixture is naturally part of Turkic groups, Chuvash and Volga Tatars have increased scores. Therewithal, the Kazan Tatars model like a mix of Turkic, Uralic, and Slavic. Chuvashes turns out to be fully Uralic except for a negligible amount of Turkic. Crimean, Lipka, and Mishar Tatars also have the "native" admixture.

[Leto]

You shouldn’t take trolls serious. It’s clear Russians have no Mongolian admixture. I rather use the term east eurasian than mongoloid like west eurasian instead of Caucasian. Golden horde was a Turkomongol-confederation and didnt left any genetic trace. Like i said, Turkic admixture of Russian Turkics mostly came from Bulgars but also from Khazars. Mongols only left genetic impact to Kazakhs, Kirgiz and Hazaras. That east eurasian admixture of some people for example Uzbeks or other people who in Central Asia cones from Mongols is a myth.

@Edgü i reported you, its not funny anymore.

Well, didn't Mongols actually settle in parts of Central Asia? In Russians it's definitely a myth (first Western European, then specifically promoted by both the Nazis and the Soviets). But Uzbeks for example have a lot of C, O. Not to mention the Hazaras who are known for their Mongolian ancestry.

[Leto]

Edgü, you can thumb down once or twice but don't do that too often, buddy.