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    Halakha doesn't differentiate really, so it's immaterial. I suspect Jews would vaunt you as they do most ex-Palestinian Jews. I read an article on a Gazan couple who moved to Israel and had two sons who converted to Judaism, and one is now an IDF officer. Jews go nuts for that sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    Halakha doesn't differentiate really, so it's immaterial. I suspect Jews would vaunt you as they do most ex-Palestinian Jews. I read an article on a Gazan couple who moved to Israel and had two sons who converted to Judaism, and one is now an IDF officer. Jews go nuts for that sort of thing.

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    Hmm, I see. So..I'm guessing that religious tribalism is more important than genetic ancestry of Jewish identity, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    Hmm, I see. So..I'm guessing that religious tribalism is more important than genetic ancestry of Jewish identity, right?
    We're tribalists, fundamentally. Ethnic nationalism is more a European thing. Don't be corrupted
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    black israelites may disagree with you guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    We're tribalists, fundamentally. Ethnic nationalism is more a European thing. Don't be corrupted
    Hmmm, you know something, you had me thinking in something. Are there Jews who accept Jesus Christ as their savior? If there are then are these kind of Jews also accepted among the tribe as well? I mean, I have accepted Jesus as my savior but I have yet to be converted to Christianity, so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    Hmmm, you know something, you had me thinking in something. Are there Jews who accept Jesus Christ as their savior? If there are then are these kind of Jews also accepted among the tribe as well? I mean, I have accepted Jesus as my savior but I have yet to be converted to Christianity, so..
    People of Jewish background who are Christians exist, and they are absolutely not accepted by other Jews, but viewed with strong suspicion. Messianic Jews in particular are held in high disdain.

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    Barcin_N,51.8
    Yamnaya_Samara,20
    Armenia_EBA,13.2
    Ganj_Dareh_N,7.4
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian,5.4
    WHG,1.4
    Han,0.4
    Levant_N,0.4

    So 20% IE, 1.4% WHG, 0.4% EEA, and the rest MENA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    People of Jewish background who are Christians exist, and they are absolutely not accepted by other Jews, but viewed with strong suspicion. Messianic Jews in particular are held in high disdain.

    BTW g25:

    Barcin_N,51.8
    Yamnaya_Samara,20
    Armenia_EBA,13.2
    Ganj_Dareh_N,7.4
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian,5.4
    WHG,1.4
    Han,0.4
    Levant_N,0.4

    So 20% IE, 1.4% WHG, 0.4% EEA, and the rest MENA.
    Suspicion of what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Suspicion of what?
    Messianics behave like a very overt 5th column.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    Messianics behave like a very overt 5th column.



    their opinion doesn't matter, even if they had their own state no one would want to go there
    They seem to be Christian to me, without getting into the semantics of it. Who exactly are they working against? Israel or Jews in general? I can see why Jews would dislike them from a theological perspective and even reject them as Jews, but I don't see how they're suspicious. They believe Christianity is the fulfillment of true Judaism. That's what all Christians believe as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    They seem to be Christian to me, without getting into the semantics of it. Who exactly are they working against? Israel or Jews in general? I can see why Jews would dislike them from a theological perspective and even reject them as Jews, but I don't see how they're suspicious. They believe Christianity is the fulfillment of true Judaism. That's what all Christians believe as well.
    I would agree, I don't say it's wrong Christians feel as they do, neither is it wrong for Jews to feel as they do. I think there may be sects like Arian Christianity attempt more inline with Jewish ideas but still not with Jewish law. The qualifications and events surrounding the Messiah from a Jewish point of view would not be fulfilled with Jesus. If you do not follow Jewish law can you ever really be a Jew aside from in name or through genealogy? The same goes for every religion imo. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but from what defines things to each is a matter of law and dogma from each respective faith. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck.

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