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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Kako sto rece starata baba: "niti srpsko, niti bugarsko. mesano".

    Bulgars and Serbs. Leave them alone.
    This. +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Kako sto rece starata baba: "niti srpsko, niti bugarsko. mesano".

    Bulgars and Serbs. Leave them alone.
    It is not about self-identification here, Ace. These people have lived in Serbia for a long time. It is normal for them to somehow identify with Serbs. They are Serbs today, but are descendants of ex-Bulgarians. Like you. You have the right to be Macedonian, but this will never change the fact that you are ex-Bulgarian.

    Those grannies would be understood perfectly in Varna for example. But in Subotica for example, noone will know what krastavica or dinya means. Nor will umderstand the context at all, because the language has different, analytical structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    It is not about self-identification here, Ace. These people have lived in Serbia for a long time. It is normal for them to somehow identify with Serbs. They are Serbs today, but are descendants of ex-Bulgarians. Like you. You have the right to be Macedonian, but this will never change the fact that you are ex-Bulgarian.

    Those grannies would be understood perfectly in Varna for example. But in Subotica for example, noone will know what krastavica or dinya means. Nor will umderstand the context at all, because the language has different, analytical structure.
    Krastavac i dinja?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Krastavac i dinja?
    How do they say dinja in Belgrade? What about chushka or zele? What about them?

    But this is useless.. The video was made to show how this speech is different from stsndard Serbian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    How do they say dinja in Belgrade? What about chushka or zele? What about them?
    Dinja is dinja everywhere. Those two words I don't understand but it is explained in video, they are specific for that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Dinja is dinja everywhere. Those two words I don't understand but it is explained in video, they are specific for that area.
    But also standard Bulgarian words. Not only for this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    But also standard Bulgarian words. Not only for this area.
    Borrowed from Bulgarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Krastavac i dinja?
    My ancestors from Dalmatia called krastavac - Kukumar.

    It's from Latin, on Latin krastavac is Cucumis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    It doesn't matter. The people from Novi Izvor and Dublje clearly speak an analytical Slavic language and Bulgarian (plus Macedonian) is the only such language. There are not traces of Serbian case system within the borders of Bulgaria, while in Serbia even today we see how there are analytical Slavic speakers.

    I'd rather go to Bosilegrad or Caribrod, where the real Shopi live, not the totally Serbianized town Pirot which is full of Montenegrins and god knows what else.
    Real problem archduke Old Bulgarian is language of Turks not Serbs. Your language east of Yak division is also a dialect of Serbian, but for the case of Bulgarianised Sopi and this topic there are cultural elements which true 'Bulgars' from Varna don't have.

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    Not even linguists can reach a consensus as to whether Sopski is more Serbian or Bulgarian.

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