GEDmatch results from Veneto, Northern Italy

[Percivalle]

This result looked atypical the first time I saw, but then I saw other Alpine Northern Italian results which were similar. She certainly has 8 Venetian great-grandparents and likely 16 Venetian speaking great-great-grandparents. She's from Conco di Vicenza.

She is of Cimbrian ancestry if she is from Conco di Vicenza. Conco is a Cimbrian village in Veneto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conco


however generally speaking yes north Italians of the Alps are generally further north than those of the Po Valley.

[renaissance12]

She is of Cimbrian ancestry if she is from Conco di Vicenza. Conco is a Cimbrian village in Veneto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conco


however generally speaking yes north Italians of the Alps are generally further north than those of the Po Valley.

Cimbri area ( I live in the middle of Cimbri area... )

https://www.bcunico.com/cimbri.htm




There are more and less 6,5 milions Italians who live in the alps-and prealps mountains.. + 22,5 milions in pianura padana and Emilia-Romagna-liguria.

[xripkan]

i have many of them. which one you want ? some examples:

Swiss-Italians:

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Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.49
2 West_Med 23.91
3 East_Med 21.19
4 Baltic 14.73
5 Red_Sea 3.75
6 Siberian 0.65
7 Northeast_African 0.15
8 West_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.56
2 Portuguese 8.05
3 Spanish_Murcia 9.11
4 Spanish_Valencia 9.14
5 Spanish_Extremadura 9.27
6 Spanish_Galicia 9.33
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.68
8 Spanish_Cataluna 9.74
9 Spanish_Andalucia 10.81
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.3
11 Tuscan 11.59
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.47
13 French 12.85
14 Spanish_Aragon 13.33
15 Southwest_French 13.74
16 Romanian 17.54
17 Serbian 17.83
18 West_German 17.84
19 West_Sicilian 18.06
20 Greek_Thessaly 18.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Spanish_Valencia + 23.6% Ashkenazi @ 5.74
2 74.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 25.5% Ashkenazi @ 5.75
3 86.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 13.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.79
4 88% Spanish_Valencia + 12% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.81
5 74.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25.1% Ashkenazi @ 5.84
6 80.7% Portuguese + 19.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.87
7 71.5% Spanish_Valencia + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.07
8 65% Southwest_French + 35% Ashkenazi @ 6.11
9 76.8% Spanish_Galicia + 23.2% Ashkenazi @ 6.27
10 65.9% Portuguese + 34.1% Tuscan @ 6.28
11 77.2% Portuguese + 22.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.28
12 69.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 30.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.3
13 80.8% Southwest_French + 19.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.31
14 72.6% Spanish_Valencia + 27.4% Bulgarian @ 6.31
15 72.2% Spanish_Murcia + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.32
16 77.8% Spanish_Murcia + 22.2% Ashkenazi @ 6.35
17 88.6% Spanish_Valencia + 11.4% Saudi @ 6.37
18 68.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.9% Ashkenazi @ 6.37
19 72.9% Spanish_Murcia + 27.1% Bulgarian @ 6.38
20 91.3% Portuguese + 8.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.38

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# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.64
2 West_Med 26.39
3 East_Med 15.04
4 Baltic 14.43
5 West_Asian 7.28
6 Red_Sea 1.64
7 Northeast_African 0.83
8 Amerindian 0.52
9 Siberian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 5.09
2 Portuguese 7.12
3 Spanish_Extremadura 7.46
4 Spanish_Galicia 7.82
5 Spanish_Cataluna 8.21
6 Spanish_Andalucia 8.36
7 Spanish_Valencia 8.51
8 Spanish_Murcia 8.68
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.82
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 9.38
11 Spanish_Cantabria 10.25
12 Southwest_French 11.25
13 Tuscan 11.32
14 French 11.38
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.3
16 Romanian 15.32
17 Serbian 16.1
18 West_German 16.17
19 Bulgarian 16.53
20 South_Dutch 16.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 34.8% Romanian @ 2
2 66.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.1% Bulgarian @ 2.02
3 60.4% Southwest_French + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.13
4 64.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 35.8% Bulgarian @ 2.2
5 57.6% Spanish_Aragon + 42.4% Bulgarian @ 2.4
6 62.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.57
7 65.9% Southwest_French + 34.1% Central_Greek @ 2.73
8 66.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.2% Serbian @ 2.76
9 58% Greek_Thessaly + 42% French_Basque @ 2.77
10 62.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 37.3% Romanian @ 2.81
11 62.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.6% Bulgarian @ 2.94
12 58.7% Bulgarian + 41.3% French_Basque @ 3.07
13 55.8% Spanish_Aragon + 44.2% Romanian @ 3.13
14 62.1% Southwest_French + 37.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.15
15 73.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 26.3% Moldavian @ 3.16
16 67.3% Spanish_Valencia + 32.7% Bulgarian @ 3.18
17 81% Southwest_French + 19% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.26
18 70.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 29.3% Bulgarian @ 3.26
19 73.4% North_Italian + 26.6% Southwest_French @ 3.27
20 66.8% Southwest_French + 33.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.27

Could you post K15 of Trnetino-South Tyrol and if you have any Central Italian (Marche, Umbria, Abruzzo)?

[Petalpusher]

Of course it has to be like that, this is a major genetic barrier, sure there has been some movements, it's been done but it's not like you could wake up in the morning and say yeah let's go cross the Alps randomly.

[Didac]

It seems there's a big genetic variation inside Northern Italy, the biggest genetic divide in Italy isn't between Central Italians and Northern Italians, but between Alpine region people and people from the lowlands (this person is from the Alps).


Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.56
2 Atlantic 21
3 West_Med 16.12
4 East_Med 9.91
5 Eastern_Euro 9.01
6 Baltic 8.64
7 West_Asian 6.23
8 Red_Sea 3
9 Oceanian 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source) Distance
1 French 6.27
2 Spanish_Galicia 9.03
3 South_Dutch 9.26
4 West_German 9.5
5 Portuguese 10.09
6 Serbian 10.45
7 Spanish_Cataluna 10.57
8 North_Italian 11.35
9 Spanish_Extremadura 11.65
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.9
11 East_German 12.28
12 Spanish_Murcia 12.38
13 Austrian 12.57
14 Hungarian 12.96
15 Romanian 13.2
16 Southwest_English 13.88
17 Spanish_Cantabria 14.33
18 Spanish_Valencia 14.56
19 North_German 14.72
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 76.3% French + 23.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.13
2 63.5% North_Italian + 36.5%North_Swedish @ 3.16
3 54.9% West_German + 45.1%North_Italian @ 3.25
4 65.1% French + 34.9% Serbian @ 3.36
5 62.2% North_Italian + 37.8%Norwegian @ 3.41
6 70.9% French + 29.1% Romanian @ 3.46
7 54.6% Tuscan + 45.4%Norwegian @ 3.5
8 74.4% French + 25.6% Bulgarian @ 3.52
9 81.5% French + 18.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.55
10 63% North_Italian + 37% Swedish @ 3.56
11 79.2% French + 20.8% Greek @ 3.59
12 62.7% West_German + 37.3%Tuscan @ 3.59
13 56.5% Southwest_English + 43.5%Greek_Thessaly @ 3.64
14 64.4% North_Italian + 35.6%West_Norwegian @ 3.74
15 67.2% South_Dutch + 32.8%Greek_Thessaly @ 3.76
16 81.8% French + 18.2% Central_Greek @ 3.79
17 56.8% Tuscan + 43.2%West_Norwegian @ 3.83
18 88.5% French + 11.5% Cyprian @ 3.97
19 82.5% French + 17.5% East_Sicilian @ 4
20 90.3% French + 9.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.07

Damn suprised this north Italian kit has around the same amount of north euro or northern dna as someone from northern France.