Survive The Jive Claims Aryans Were Purely Northern European When They Entered India

[JMack]

It seems to be a consensus on these forums that Aryans were mixed with BMAC types when they entered the Indian Subcontinent, but according to Survive the Jive Aryans were purely Andronovo when they entered India (understood here as whole South Asia, not only India as a country ofc) and that's the reason we still can find Euro-looking populations in India.



So in this view we have the idea of Viking looking individuals running around the Ganges and creating the Vedic myths and songs. A beautiful image imo.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Saw the video yesterday.
I think he is pushing it too far, I mean he admits that
The second migration of steppe people, which coincided with the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization, around 4,000 years ago, mixed with the Indus Periphery People to give rise to the ANI population.(in the video 25:00 to 26:50)
But many times he equates Corded Ware with Andrónovo and Sintashta‑Petrovka, for him they are all the same people.

[Smeagol]

I think that's unrealistic. And there are no Euro looking populations in India, only rare individuals.

[JMack]

Saw the video yesterday.
I think he is pushing it too far, I mean he admits that
The second migration of steppe people, which coincided with the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization, around 4,000 years ago, mixed with the Indus Periphery People to give rise to the ANI population.(25:00 26:50)
But many times he equates Corded Ware with Andrónovo and Sintashta‑Petrovka, for him they are all the same people.

I agree. The thing with Survive the Jive is that he isn't just someone interested in the subject and wants to discuss it, he's a kind of ''ideologue'' who wants to create some type of ''pan-Indo-European'' identity and since he's a pagan he also needs Hinduism or proto-Hinduism as a model for his reconstructionist pagan ideas.

He is an intelligent guy and far more interesting than most alt-righters out there, but it seems that he insists so much on the supposed ''sameness'' of all early steppe cultures and sometimes disregard notably differences to push for his indo-europeanist agenda. I remember even watching a video of him about ''Indo-European traditions of Sri Lankan Buddhists'' or something like that. If non-Tamil speaking Sri Lankans are Indo-Europeans, then even Mestizos and Triracials are ''Indo-Europeans'' as well. I mean the latter have probably more Steppe ancestry than most non-Northwest Indian/Paki/Afghan Indian groups.

[JMack]

I think that's unrealistic. And there are no Euro looking populations in India, only rare individuals.

By ''India'' he means all South Asia, including Kalash people, Nuristanis, Chitralis, Kashmiris etc. He isn't talking specifically about modern nation of India.

India for most of human history =/= modern country called India. Actually the term Hindustan started as designation only for modern NW India and Pakistan iirc.

[Blondie]

Indian sources described them pale skinned peoples with light features, of course they were assimilated by locals thousands of years ago. But interesting northern indians have lighter skin than southernes.

[Smeagol]

By ''India'' he means all South Asia, including Kalash people, Nuristanis, Chitralis, Kashmiris etc. He isn't talking specifically about modern nation of India.

India for most of human history =/= modern country called India. Actually the term Hindustan started as designation only for modern NW India and Pakistan iirc.

I know, but my impression from crowd photos is that even those people aren't usually European looking. Of course there are still a few with Nordic traits even if they aren't genetically pure or close to it.

[Ryuk]

I think they more looked like East European.

[JMack]

Indian sources described them pale skinned peoples with light features, of course they were assimilated by locals thousands of years ago. But interesting northern indians have lighter skin than southernes.

Again, when we say ''India'' in this context we mean all of South Asia, especially Northern South Asia. Survive the Jive isn't talking about modern Republic of India.

But you're right, very few populations who resemble the original Aryans exist in South Asia today. It's because they got mixed with Caucasus-like and Proto-Australoid populations who were living in India.You can find full Caucasoid looking individuals in most of India and Pakistan, but Northern Euro phenotypes only emerge as recombination due to recessiveness in some individuals from particular groups like Kalash, Nuristanis, Kashmiris, Nepali Brahmins etc.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

I agree. The thing with Survive the Jive is that he isn't just someone interested in the subject and wants to discuss it, he's a kind of ''ideologue'' who wants to create some type of ''pan-Indo-European'' identity and since he's a pagan he also needs Hinduism or proto-Hinduism as a model for his reconstructionist pagan ideas.

He is an intelligent guy and far more interesting than most alt-righters out there, but it seems that he insists so much on the supposed ''sameness'' of all early steppe cultures and sometimes disregard notably differences to push for his indo-europeanist agenda. I remember even watching a video of him about ''Indo-European traditions of Sri Lankan Buddhists'' or something like that. If non-Tamil speaking Sri Lankans are Indo-Europeans, then even Mestizos and Triracials are ''Indo-Europeans'' as well. I mean the latter have probably more Steppe ancestry than most non-Northwest Indian/Paki/Afghan Indian groups.

Most of his information comes from academics fonts (having himself a master in medieval history), which makes his channel much more interesting than the average esoteric storytellers out there.
But he obviously has a nordicist agenda, not only for India but also for micenic Greece.
And by nordicist I mean putting north western Europeans as creator of those civilizations, he point out the similarities of Andrónovo and Sintashta Petrovka in genetic with moder day Scandinavians, not with the people that’s lives between the Dniéper and Volga rivers.