Common Slavs from the Lower Danube, expanding with haplogroup E1b-V13?

[Voskos]

Intriguing and interesting blog article.
https://indo-european.eu/2019/04/com...group-e1b-v13/

[Voskos]

Didn't read the whole thing but it basically implies E-V13 is a danubian haplogroup, if i understood well, which got spread by the several -ancient and modern- populations that carried it down south.

[Ayetooey]

Some quotes.

"The finding of haplogroup E1b1b-M215 in two independent early West Slavic individuals further supports that the current distribution of R1a1a1b1a-Z282 lineages in Slavic populations is the product of recent bottlenecks. The lack of a precise subclade within the E1b1b-M215 tree precludes a proper interpretation of a potential origin, but they are probably under European E1b1b1a1b1-L618 subclade E1b1b1a1b1a-V13 (formed ca. 6100 BC, TMRCA ca. 2800 BC), possibly under the mutation CTS1273 (formed ca. 2600 BC, TMRCA ca. 2000 BC), in common with other ancient populations around the Carpathians (see below §viii.11. Thracians and Albanians). This gross geographic origin would support the studies of the Common Slavic homeland based on toponymy (Figure 66), which place it roughly between the Upper Oder and the Upper Dniester, north of the Carpathians (Udolph 1997, 2016)."

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(8 APR 2019): Another interesting data is the haplogroup distribution among Modern Slavs and neighbouring peoples (see Wikipedia). For example, the bottleneck seen in Modern Albanians, under Z5017 subclade, also points to an origin of the expansion of E1b-V13 subclades among multiethnic groups around the Lower Danube coinciding with the Roman Iron Age, given the estimates for the arrival of Proto-Albanian close to the Latin and Greek linguistic frontier."

"Remarkable is also its distribution among Rusyns, East Slavs from the Carpathians not associated with the Kievan Rus’, isolated thus quite soon from East Slavic expansions to the east. They were reported to show ca. 35% hg. E1b-V13 globally in FTDNA, with a frequency similar to or higher than R1a, in common with South Slavic peoples, reflecting thus a situation similar to the source of East Slavs before further R1a-based bottlenecks (and/or acculturation events) to the east:*"

[Ayetooey]

The “western” cluster of Early Slavs from Brandýsek, Bohemia (ca. AD 600-900).
Two likely Slavic individuals from Usedom, in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (AD 1200) show hg. R1a-M458 and E1b-M215 (Freder 2010).
An early West Slav individual from Hrádek nad Nisou in Northern Bohemia (ca. AD 1330) also shows E1b-M215 (Vanek et al. 2015).
One sample from Székkutas-Kápolnadülő (SzK/239) among middle or late Avars (ca. AD 650-710), a supposed Slavonic-speaking polity, of hg. E1b-V13.
Two samples from Karosc (K1/13, and K2/6) among Hungarian conquerors (ca. AD 895-950), likely both of hg. E1b-V13, probably connected to the alliance with Moravian elites.
Possibly a West Slavic sample from Poland in the High Middle Ages

[Dick]

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interdasting.

[Daco Celtic]

E1b-V13, it's got people thinking and it's breaking all the rules.

[MagnusDark]

Maybe I smoked way to much blue dreams, but is this claiming V13 or a clade of it is THE Slavic lineage? Or is it merely identifying a branch of V13 that took part in the migrations? Also I wouldn't trust that guys blog. Hes R1b and simply cannot accept that R1a was indo-european or even predominantly responsible for its spread. He has some wild Uralic or Ugric type origin for R1a in his mind, and uses some ridiculous narrative device to explain how R1a "became" indo-european. I understand bottlenecks can cause less common lineages to become more common with time. However, R1a/I2a have some pretty good diversity in Romania/Ukraine/Poland etc. So it is obviously not all related to bottlenecks.

[Daco Celtic]

E-V13: Too sexy