Page 1 of 9 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 82

Thread: Stonehenge: DNA reveals origin of builders

  1. #1
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Last Online
    05-16-2023 @ 02:30 PM
    Ethnicity
    Blank
    Country
    United States
    Religion
    Christian
    Relationship Status
    Married parent
    Gender
    Posts
    5,664
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 6,285
    Given: 4,691

    8 Not allowed!

    Default Stonehenge: DNA reveals origin of builders

    Paging Grace - Scientist find the Isles/Iberian connection, and it is where I suspected it was, with the neolitic farmers who came through France.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47938188
    Stonehenge: DNA reveals origin of builders
    By Paul Rincon
    Science editor, BBC News website
    16 April 2019
    679 comments Share this with Facebook Share this with Messenger Share this with Twitter Share this with Email Share
    Image caption
    Construction on Stonehenge probably began about 3,000BC
    The ancestors of the people who built Stonehenge travelled west across the Mediterranean before reaching Britain, a study has shown.

    Researchers compared DNA extracted from Neolithic human remains found across Britain with that of people alive at the same time in Europe.

    The Neolithic inhabitants appear to have travelled from Anatolia (modern Turkey) to Iberia before winding their way north.

    They reached Britain in about 4,000BC.

    Details have been published in the journal Nature Ecology & Evolution.

    The migration to Britain was just one part of a general, massive expansion of people out of Anatolia in 6,000BC that introduced farming to Europe.

    Before that, Europe was populated by small, travelling groups which hunted animals and gathered wild plants and shellfish.

    One group of early farmers followed the river Danube up into Central Europe, but another group travelled west across the Mediterranean.

    DNA reveals that Neolithic Britons were largely descended from groups who took the Mediterranean route, either hugging the coast or hopping from island-to-island on boats. Some British groups had a minor amount of ancestry from groups that followed the Danube route.
    We all know this part

    I think she was probably paler, IMO.
    Image copyrightROYAL PAVILION & MUSEUM, BRIGHTON
    Image caption
    A facial reconstruction of Whitehawk Woman, a 5,600-year-old Neolithic woman from Sussex. The reconstruction is on show at the Royal Pavilion & Museum in Brighton
    When the researchers analysed the DNA of early British farmers, they found they most closely resembled Neolithic people from Iberia (modern Spain and Portugal). These Iberian farmers were descended from people who had journeyed across the Mediterranean.

    From Iberia, or somewhere close, the Mediterranean farmers travelled north through France.
    They might have entered Britain from the west, through Wales or south-west England. Indeed, radiocarbon dates suggest that Neolithic people arrived marginally earlier in the west, but this remains a topic for future work.

    In addition to farming, the Neolithic migrants to Britain appear to have introduced the tradition of building monuments using large stones known as megaliths. Stonehenge in Wiltshire was part of this tradition.

    Although Britain was inhabited by groups of "western hunter-gatherers" when the farmers arrived in about 4,000BC, DNA shows that the two groups did not mix very much at all.

    The British hunter-gatherers were almost completely replaced by the Neolithic farmers, apart from one group in western Scotland, where the Neolithic inhabitants had elevated local ancestry. This could have come down to the farmer groups simply having greater numbers.

    "We don't find any detectable evidence at all for the local British western hunter-gatherer ancestry in the Neolithic farmers after they arrive," said co-author Dr Tom Booth, a specialist in ancient DNA from the Natural History Museum in London.

    "That doesn't mean they don't mix at all, it just means that maybe their population sizes were too small to have left any kind of genetic legacy."

    Co-author Professor Mark Thomas, from UCL, said he also favoured "a numbers game explanation".

    Poor Chedderman!

    A reconstruction of Cheddar Man. As with other Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, DNA results suggest he had dark skin and blue or green eyes
    Professor Thomas said the Neolithic farmers had probably had to adapt their practices to different climatic conditions as they moved across Europe. But by the time they reached Britain they were already "tooled up" and well-prepared for growing crops in a north-west European climate.

    The study also analysed DNA from these British hunter-gatherers. One of the skeletons analysed was that of Cheddar Man, whose skeletal remains have been dated to 7,100BC.

    He was the subject of a reconstruction unveiled at the Natural History Museum last year. DNA suggests that, like most other European hunter-gatherers of the time, he had dark skin combined with blue eyes.

    Genetic analysis shows that the Neolithic farmers, by contrast, were paler-skinned with brown eyes and black or dark-brown hair.

    Towards the end of the Neolithic, in about 2,450BC, the descendents of the first farmers were themselves almost entirely replaced when a new population - called the Bell Beaker people - migrated from mainland Europe. So Britain saw two extreme genetic shifts in the space of a few thousand years.

    Prof Thomas said that this later event happened after the Neolithic population had been in decline for some time, both in Britain and across Europe. He cautioned against simplistic explanations invoking conflict, and said the shifts ultimately came down to "economic" factors, about which lifestyles were best suited to exploit the landscape.

    Dr Booth explained: "It's difficult to see whether the two [genetic shifts] could have anything in common - they're two very different kinds of change. There's speculation that they're to some extent population collapses. But the reasons suggested for those two collapses are different, so it could just be coincidence."

    Could it be that the Irish remembered this ancient migrations through legends taught to them by the Farmer women they intermarried?

  2. #2
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Celestia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Cajun
    Ancestry
    Anglo Cajun
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Posts
    13,881
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 24,216
    Given: 15,986

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    ahhh so fascinating, thanks for sharing!

  3. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Last Online
    09-16-2019 @ 02:30 AM
    Ethnicity
    ...
    Ancestry
    Spain,Portugal,France and Native
    Country
    Iceland
    Age
    21
    Gender
    Posts
    2,471
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,816
    Given: 1,754

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    The reconstruction woman look more WHG than Farmer

  4. #4
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Last Online
    05-16-2023 @ 02:30 PM
    Ethnicity
    Blank
    Country
    United States
    Religion
    Christian
    Relationship Status
    Married parent
    Gender
    Posts
    5,664
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 6,285
    Given: 4,691

    3 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeWorshiper View Post
    The reconstruction woman look more WHG than Farmer
    Yes, I think so too. They're darkening all of them for political reasons. IMO, if you look at Sardinians, or even Arabs, none of them are that dark. And if they're supposedly related to Iberians...I mean...most Iberians are "farmer" in their visual representation and even the darker members of my family don't look that dark (or red). I think both she and Cheddar man were lighter, but not "white."

    Anyway, long, lost British/Iberian connection found at last! We can all go home now.

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Last Online
    @
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Hellenic, Germanic, Romance
    Ethnicity
    White
    Ancestry
    White people
    Country
    Sweden
    Y-DNA
    J2a
    mtDNA
    J2b
    Taxonomy
    Dinaro pontid + extreme CM
    Politics
    Right
    Hero
    Óláfr skautkonungr
    Religion
    Christian
    Relationship Status
    In a domestic partnership
    Gender
    Posts
    6,362
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,306
    Given: 2,492

    3 Not allowed!

    Default

    I don't understand why every reconstruction is so dark.

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Last Online
    04-18-2019 @ 04:03 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Na
    Ethnicity
    Sicily, Naples, Czech Moravia, Ashkenazi
    Country
    Australia
    Gender
    Posts
    210
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 100
    Given: 78

    4 Not allowed!

    Default

    Afrocentrists and Vakandans are behind these face reconstruction crap.

  7. #7
    Oi you lots
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Jamaican
    Country
    Jamaica
    Gender
    Posts
    14,905
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 8,132
    Given: 4,897

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    We were blacks

  8. #8
    Veteran Member Aspirin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2018
    Last Online
    Today @ 08:57 PM
    Ethnicity
    N/A
    Country
    Moldova
    Region
    Moldova
    Gender
    Posts
    7,626
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 8,750
    Given: 3,189

    3 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnes View Post
    I don't understand why every reconstruction is so dark.
    Diversity/Multiculturalism propaganda.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2019
    Last Online
    02-15-2020 @ 07:00 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Indo-European
    Ethnicity
    Caucasian
    Country
    United States
    Region
    New York City
    Y-DNA
    R1a
    mtDNA
    H
    Gender
    Posts
    1,131
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 670
    Given: 688

    3 Not allowed!

    Default

    Considering they took their DNA, and checked for mutations related to pigment, how exactly is it propaganda? I mean it was Indo-Europeans who spread genes for light skin/hair.

  10. #10
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Tampa, Fl
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Melkite
    Ethnicity
    Lebanese
    Ancestry
    Zahlé
    Country
    United States
    Y-DNA
    L-M349
    Politics
    Libertarian
    Hero
    Steve Jobs
    Religion
    Believer of God
    Gender
    Posts
    1,521
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,769
    Given: 2,895

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    We wuz kangz and shiet

Page 1 of 9 12345 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 43
    Last Post: 05-28-2022, 08:59 PM
  2. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-22-2018, 04:45 AM
  3. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-30-2018, 05:46 PM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-18-2010, 03:48 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •