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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos One View Post
    Except this weird 5% SSA, seems really logical.

    Well, some calculators love to give extra SSA using mixed people, anyway.
    Argentine mestizos score in the 0-5% SSA range so its probably real but a coincidence.

    TBH i just checked that their amerindian/euro was the same, i didnt check the SSA but they probably socred it in eurogenes k15 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Lo que no entiendo, si los indigenas PUROS son 65% chino 25% selkup 5% euro, porque son mas oscuros que los 3?
    Eso debe ser por una simple adaptación después de más de 20.000 años en el nuevo hábitat supongo yo... pero además no te olvides que hay diferencias grandes de pigmentación entre todos.
    Los de las zonas tropicales suelen tener un tono canela subido, los de USA y Canadá una coloración como más rojiza y los de la Patagonia como de tomo amarillento mostaza.
    Pero es verdad, los andinos son bastante oscuros, a lo mejor porque por la sequedad del ambiente el sol pasa con bastante potencia.
    Pero es verdad, igual siguen quedando dudas sobre esa característica.

    Pero lo que si a lo que muy bien dijiste en el otro post, esto evidencia que el aporte nativo es muy "weak", no sólo más que el negroide sino en principio más que el asiático también, Por tener protocaucasico, ANE en particular.
    Por eso no entiendo a los que hablan como si los nativos americanos fueran supersayayines genéticamente hablando y dicen asombrarse cuando alguien tiene 7 u 8% de nativo y no se ve.
    Es una tontería... si en muchos casos no se ve el negtoide con 6 o 7 ¿cómo se va a ver el nativo?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Si el euro de los bolivianos indigenas shifteaba hacia el este de europa y era raro. Pero bueno como eran valores re chicos tampoco le daba mucha bola. Pero si corres esta calculadora antigua los indigenas salen con mucho ANE .

    Lo hice con estas muestras argentinas por curiosidad, pero me imagino que esta es la razon cientifica de porque un mestizo se ve mas euro que un mulato. El negro es 100% SSA pero el indigena no es 100% East Asian y el ANE se comparte con euros.
    Comparison between pred amerindians and pred blacks. All from different countries but with identical results.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    Eso debe ser por una simple adaptación después de más de 20.000 años en el nuevo hábitat supongo yo... pero además no te olvides que hay diferencias grandes de pigmentación entre todos.
    Los de las zonas tropicales suelen tener un tono canela subido, los de USA y Canadá una coloración como más rojiza y los de la Patagonia como de tomo amarillento mostaza.
    Pero es verdad, los andinos son bastante oscuros, a lo mejor porque por la sequedad del ambiente el sol pasa con bastante potencia.
    Pero es verdad, igual siguen quedando dudas sobre esa característica.

    Pero lo que si a lo que muy bien dijiste en el otro post, esto evidencia que el aporte nativo es muy "weak", no sólo más que el negroide sino en principio más que el asiático también, Por tener protocaucasico, ANE en particular.
    Por eso no entiendo a los que hablan como si los nativos americanos fueran supersayayines genéticamente hablando y dicen asombrarse cuando alguien tiene 7 u 8% de nativo y no se ve.
    Es una tontería... si en muchos casos no se ve el negtoide con 6 o 7 ¿cómo se va a ver el nativo?....
    mira el ultimo cuadro que agregue, todos new worlders con similar aporte euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    The ANE seems to be

    0% in the chinise
    22% in the Native Argentine
    17% in the Mestizo Argentine
    8% in southern euros

    Wonder how ANE looked like

    I posted this map but actual spaniards from gedmatch are scoring much higher ANE in Gedrosia K6 that is what i am using for all the samples


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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    I posted this map but actual spaniards from gedmatch are scoring much higher ANE in Gedrosia K6 that is what i am using for all the samples

    Excellent! I was wondered if East Asians scored ANE, and voilá the answer!!
    This really answers many questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    Excellent! I was wondered if East Asians scored ANE, and voilá the answer!!
    This really answers many questions.
    Yes i initially had the same doubt

    i was surprised to see the high ANE in spaniards. That internet map has a very low ane. Maybe its another calculator

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Yes i initially had the same doubt

    i was surprised to see the high ANE in spaniards. That internet map has a very low ane. Maybe its another calculator
    Probably.
    And I imagine that north italians, balkanites and central-europeans should score even more ANE than spaniards.
    Its very surprising!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    Probably.
    And I imagine that north italians, balkanites and central-europeans should score even more ANE than spaniards.
    Its very surprising!
    i will check that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Lo que no entiendo, si los indigenas PUROS son 65% chino 25% selkup 5% euro, porque son mas oscuros que los 3?
    Amerindians don't descend exactly from these populations but from ancient sources derived/similar to them. The ''European Hunther-Gatherer'' ancestry they have likely resembled more Australoids physically/metrically than modern Southern Europeans, for example.

    Between the first HGs and basal ''Caucasoids'' from the Middle East there's a gap of almost 30k years. The idea Europeans derive exclusively from ''Caucasoid'' races is a blatantly lie repeated around anthroforums and there's no objective genetic definition for that. The definition of ''Caucasoid'' itself is arbitrary when we go back so much in time.

    So the idea Amerindians are ''part-Caucasoid'' is equally utter stupid, even if they have more genetic affinities with Europeans than SSAs have.

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