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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Your Sephardic-specific matches, as opposed to Mizrachi matches, remind me of this:
    I do have quite a few Iberian matches with a triangulated segment, a couple of whom I share with the Sephardic matches. I don't score any Iberian though, and I don't know how uncommon it is for a levantine to have Iberian matches. This is my Ancient G25 result (top 10 populations):

    Code:
    "distance%=1.7379"
    
    Levant_BA_North,39.6
    Egypt_Late_Period,5.4
    England_Roman_o,4.8
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,4
    Hajji_Firuz_ChL,3.2
    Levant_ChL,3
    Egypt_Hellenistic,2.4
    Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE,1.6
    Sappali_Tepe_BA,1.6
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL,1.6
    But then again, that doesn't say much really, as the Syrian average also includes some ancient Iberian admixture:

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.154"
    
    Levant_BA_North,32.8
    Hajji_Firuz_ChL,8.8
    Egypt_Late_Period,4.4
    England_Roman_o,3.6
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,3.4
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,3.2
    Armenia_ChL,2.4
    Iran_recent,2.4
    Hasanlu_IA,2.2
    Sappali_Tepe_BA,2

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoibe View Post
    I do have quite a few Iberian matches with a triangulated segment, a couple of whom I share with the Sephardic matches. I don't score any Iberian though, and I don't know how uncommon it is for a levantine to have Iberian matches. This is my Ancient G25 result (top 10 populations):

    Code:
    "distance%=1.7379"
    
    Levant_BA_North,39.6
    Egypt_Late_Period,5.4
    England_Roman_o,4.8
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,4
    Hajji_Firuz_ChL,3.2
    Levant_ChL,3
    Egypt_Hellenistic,2.4
    Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE,1.6
    Sappali_Tepe_BA,1.6
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL,1.6
    But then again, that doesn't say much really, as the Syrian average also includes some ancient Iberian admixture:

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.154"
    
    Levant_BA_North,32.8
    Hajji_Firuz_ChL,8.8
    Egypt_Late_Period,4.4
    England_Roman_o,3.6
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,3.4
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,3.2
    Armenia_ChL,2.4
    Iran_recent,2.4
    Hasanlu_IA,2.2
    Sappali_Tepe_BA,2
    Sephardic Jews don't have much Iberian to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Sephardic Jews don't have much Iberian to begin with.
    Could it also be from the Islamic conquest of the Iberian Peninsula?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoibe View Post
    Could it also be from the Islamic conquest of the Iberian Peninsula?
    I don't know how atypical it is for a Palestinian in that G25 model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    I don't know how atypical it is for a Palestinian in that G25 model.
    I used Syrian because I plot the closest to them. This is Palestinian:
    Though obviously this is the entire spreadsheet again and I don't know if everyone gets Iberian matches as well.

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    "distance%=1.695"
    
    	 Palestinian
    
    England_Roman_o,28
    Levant_BA_North,19.6
    Egypt_Late_Period,9.6
    Guanche_Canary_Islands,6
    Levant_BA_South,5.2
    Egypt_Hellenistic,3.6
    Sappali_Tepe_BA,2.6
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,2.2
    Hajji_Firuz_ChL,1.8
    Seh_Gabi_ChL,1.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoibe View Post
    I used Syrian because I plot the closest to them. This is Palestinian:
    Though obviously this is the entire spreadsheet again and I don't know if everyone gets Iberian matches as well.

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    "distance%=1.695"
    
    	 Palestinian
    
    England_Roman_o,28
    Levant_BA_North,19.6
    Egypt_Late_Period,9.6
    Guanche_Canary_Islands,6
    Levant_BA_South,5.2
    Egypt_Hellenistic,3.6
    Sappali_Tepe_BA,2.6
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,2.2
    Hajji_Firuz_ChL,1.8
    Seh_Gabi_ChL,1.6
    How many segments are the 20cm you share with them spread out over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    How many segments are the 20cm you share with them spread out over?
    The Sephardic or the Iberians?

    edit: okay just had a look, Sephardic: two or three, with matches that are 12 cM total 1 segment.
    Iberian: closest is 17 cM over 2 segments
    Last edited by whoibe; 04-21-2019 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoibe View Post
    The Sephardic or the Iberians?

    edit: okay just had a look, Sephardic: two or three, with matches that are 12 cM total 1 segment.
    Iberian: closest is 17 cM over 2 segments
    I forget the exact tables, but you probably have a Sephardic ancestor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    I forget the exact tables, but you probably have a Sephardic ancestor.
    Which tables? You mean the genetic relationship? I believe the distance should be about Cousin 6th degree.

    What does the number of segments tell you?

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    so I just converted my ancestrydna file to a 23andme format and then used this tool to predict my mtdna: https://dna.jameslick.com

    Result: H2a2a1

    I looked through my gedmatch results to see who else had it and it was one of my sephardic matches with the chromosome segment I share with other sephardic matches
    Last edited by whoibe; 04-23-2019 at 11:51 AM.

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