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    Default Crusaders from the Kingdom of Jerusalem

    I've uploaded them to GEDmatch:







    GEDmatch Genesis kit numbers of crusaders belonging to European and Admixed groups:

    Crusader SI39 - kit number EM9001776
    Crusader SI40 - kit number QR8698402
    Crusader SI47 - kit number XA2645587
    Crusader SI41 - kit number ME3828251
    Crusader SI53 - kit number ZX8440629



    Last edited by Peterski; 04-20-2019 at 09:24 AM.

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    RESULTS OF THE EUROPEAN GROUP:

    Crusader SI39, Eurogenes K15 results:

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    Crusader SI40, Eurogenes K15 results:

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    Crusader SI47, Eurogenes K15 results:

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    RESULTS OF THE ADMIXED GROUP:

    Crusader SI41, Eurogenes K15 results:

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    Crusader SI53, Eurogenes K15 results:

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    Can you post SI 53 mdlp k23 results out of curiosity? He seems to plot with s.italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voskos View Post
    Can you post SI 53 mdlp k23 results out of curiosity? He seems to plot with s.italy.
    He is more Greek than Italian in this calculator:

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    Interesting. His autosomal looks strange so i think ydna is more reliable in this case. Maybe a Latin or a West euro who mixed with middle easterners, or anatolians?
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF63/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post

    RESULTS OF THE ADMIXED GROUP:
    Crusader SI41

    MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 32.35
    2 Caucasian 22.82
    3 Steppe 14.22
    4 NorthEastEuropean 10.65
    5 NorthAfrican 6.45
    6 NearEast 5.94
    7 EastAfrican 3.63
    8 Subsaharian 2.4
    9 Indian 1.39
    10 Siberian 0.13
    11 Arctic 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Corsican (Corsica) 7.04
    2 Portuguese (Portugal) 7.91
    3 Jew (Belmonte) 8.68
    4 Italian (NorthIitaly) 8.77
    5 Spanish (Baleares) 10
    6 Italian (Bergamo) 10
    7 Italian (Tuscany) 10.12
    8 Provencal (Provence) 10.19
    9 Swiss (Switzerland) 10.56
    10 Spanish (Extremadura) 10.82
    11 Italian (Friul) 11.06
    12 Spanish (Spain) 11.15
    13 Spanish (Canarias) 11.37
    14 Spanish (Murcia) 11.45
    15 Spanish (Andalucia) 11.62
    16 Spanish (Galicia) 11.84
    17 Kosovar (Kosovo) 12.87
    18 Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) 13
    19 Italian (Abruzzo) 13
    20 Romanian (Gorj) 13.12

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 72.4% Spanish (Andalucia) + 27.6% Egyptian (Egypt) @ 2.43
    2 74.5% Spanish (Andalucia) + 25.5% BedouinA (Negev) @ 3.23
    3 71.8% Spanish (Andalucia) + 28.2% Arab_Israel (Shefa_Amr) @ 3.25
    4 72.6% Spanish (Andalucia) + 27.4% Jordanian (Jordanian) @ 3.38
    5 75.9% Spanish (Baleares) + 24.1% Libyan (Libya) @ 3.4
    6 74% Spanish (Andalucia) + 26% Palestinian (Israel) @ 3.42
    7 72.5% Spanish (Murcia) + 27.5% Samaritan (Israel) @ 3.73
    8 61.1% Spanish (Andalucia) + 38.9% Jew (Algeria) @ 3.82
    9 69.6% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 30.4% Samaritan (Israel) @ 3.85
    10 79.5% Jew (Belmonte) + 20.5% Basque (France) @ 3.89
    11 72.3% Spanish (Andalucia) + 27.7% Samaritan (Israel) @ 3.96
    12 64.4% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) + 35.6% Jew (Tunisian) @ 4.01
    13 74.2% Spanish (Andalucia) + 25.8% Syrian (Syria) @ 4.01
    14 72.4% Spanish (Andalucia) + 27.6% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) @ 4.07
    15 69.3% Spanish (Andalucia) + 30.7% Jew (Syria) @ 4.13
    16 50.1% French (SouthFrance) + 49.9% Jew (Libya) @ 4.15
    17 71.9% Spanish (Andalucia) + 28.1% Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) @ 4.16
    18 72.4% Spanish (Murcia) + 27.6% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) @ 4.22
    19 56.7% French (SouthFrance) + 43.3% Egyptian (Mansoura_Cairo) @ 4.25
    20 69.5% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 30.5% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) @ 4.32

    MDLP K23b Oracle results:


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Early_Farmers 33.44
    2 Caucasian 23.3
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.77
    4 North_African 9.38
    5 Near_East 7.44
    6 South_Central_Asian 3.4
    7 East_African 2.77
    8 Subsaharian 1.68
    9 Ancestral_Altaic 1.51
    10 East_Siberian 1.06
    11 Austronesian 0.81
    12 Archaic_African 0.8
    13 Archaic_Human 0.64

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Portugese ( ) 9.82
    2 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 10.83
    3 French ( ) 11.63
    4 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 12.49
    5 Belgian ( ) 12.55
    6 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 12.76
    7 South_German ( ) 12.78
    8 English ( ) 12.99
    9 Italian_North ( ) 13.51
    10 Frisian ( ) 13.56
    11 German-Volga ( ) 13.63
    12 North_European ( ) 13.65
    13 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 13.69
    14 Welsh ( ) 14.04
    15 Spaniard ( ) 14.09
    16 Irish ( ) 14.13
    17 CEU ( ) 14.39
    18 British ( ) 14.79
    19 Dutch ( ) 15.06
    20 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) 15.21

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 80.6% Portugese ( ) + 19.4% Palestinian ( ) @ 2.79
    2 72.2% Portugese ( ) + 27.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 2.92
    3 82% Portugese ( ) + 18% Samaritian ( ) @ 3.01
    4 64.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 35.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 3.03
    5 81.4% Portugese ( ) + 18.6% Lebanese ( ) @ 3.06
    6 72.8% Portugese ( ) + 27.2% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 3.08
    7 74.9% Portugese ( ) + 25.1% Turk_Jew ( ) @ 3.09
    8 75.7% Portugese ( ) + 24.3% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 3.1
    9 72.5% Spaniard ( ) + 27.5% Egyptian_Mansoura ( ) @ 3.14
    10 84% Portugese ( ) + 16% Lebanese_Christian ( ) @ 3.15
    11 82% Portugese ( ) + 18% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) @ 3.15
    12 72.5% Spaniard ( ) + 27.5% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh ( ) @ 3.16
    13 61.2% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 38.8% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 3.27
    14 58.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 41.6% Sicilian_West ( ) @ 3.28
    15 68.9% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 31.1% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 3.3
    16 68.9% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) + 31.1% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh ( ) @ 3.31
    17 85.5% Portugese ( ) + 14.5% Druze ( ) @ 3.32
    18 74.4% Portugese ( ) + 25.6% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 3.32
    19 84.1% Portugese ( ) + 15.9% Lebanese_Druze ( ) @ 3.33
    20 69% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) + 31% Egyptian_Mansoura ( ) @ 3.33


    Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 37.38
    2 Caucasus 18.87
    3 North_European 17.90
    4 Northwest_African 8.67
    5 Southwest_Asian 8.44
    6 Gedrosia 3.20
    7 Sub_Saharan 2.93
    8 East_African 2.24


    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.299514
    2 North_Italian_HGDP @ 12.791687
    3 TSI30_Metspalu @ 13.413296
    4 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 13.765563
    5 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 14.104577
    6 Tuscan_HGDP @ 15.117364
    7 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 15.409299
    8 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.485755
    9 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 15.639492
    10 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 15.710630
    11 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 15.761408
    12 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 16.315159
    13 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 18.206755
    14 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 18.212278
    15 Spanish_Dodecad @ 20.188158
    16 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.362900
    17 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 21.128773
    18 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 21.392902
    19 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes @ 21.554752
    20 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 21.791391

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Canarias_1000Genomes +50% O_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.019690


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Canarias_1000Genomes +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar +25% Romanians_Behar @ 4.220470


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Algerian_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.762069
    2 Algerian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + French_Basque_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad @ 2.012456
    3 Algerian_Dodecad + French_Basque_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 2.043910
    4 Algerian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 2.074777
    5 Algerian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + North_Italian_HGDP @ 2.082418
    6 Algerian_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.126711
    7 Algerian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP @ 2.127675
    8 Algerian_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + French_Basque_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad @ 2.186950
    9 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Swedish_Dodecad @ 2.306883
    10 Algerian_Dodecad + Baleares_1000Genomes + North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.323859
    11 Algerian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad + French_Basque_HGDP @ 2.335352
    12 Algerian_Dodecad + Cataluna_1000Genomes + North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.340451
    13 Algerian_Dodecad + Galicia_1000Genomes + N_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.351126
    14 Algerian_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 2.354181
    15 Algerian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad + Spaniards_Behar @ 2.361815
    16 Algerian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + North_Italian_HGDP + North_Italian_HGDP @ 2.381261
    17 Algerian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Spaniards_Behar @ 2.385453
    18 Algerian_Dodecad + Cataluna_1000Genomes + N_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.391614
    19 Algerian_Dodecad + Cantabria_1000Genomes + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.400987
    20 Algerian_Dodecad + Galicia_1000Genomes + North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.404445

    Done.

    Elapsed time 0.6606 seconds.


    Crusader SI53
    MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 39.67
    2 Neolithic 25.52
    3 Steppe 15.97
    4 NorthEastEuropean 8.64
    5 NearEast 4.58
    6 Indian 1.98
    7 NorthAfrican 1.49
    8 Subsaharian 0.87
    9 Arctic 0.51
    10 Oceanic 0.49
    11 Ancestor 0.29

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek (Athens) 4.13
    2 Italian (SouthItaly) 5.31
    3 Greek (Macedonia) 5.36
    4 Greek (Greece) 6.02
    5 Italian (Abruzzo) 6.06
    6 Sicilian (Sicily) 6.3
    7 Jew (Ashkenazi) 6.34
    8 Greek (Greece) 6.64
    9 Greek (Peloponnes) 6.78
    10 Greek (Thessaloniki) 7.33
    11 Albanian (Albania) 7.45
    12 Jew (Ashkenazim) 7.46
    13 Maltese (Malta) 8.17
    14 Jew (Ashkenazi) 8.6
    15 Jew (Bulgaria) 9.14
    16 Kosovar (Kosovo) 9.67
    17 Jew (Italian) 10.09
    18 Italian (Tuscany) 10.11
    19 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 10.35
    20 Jew (Sephardim) 10.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70.1% Italian (Tuscany) + 29.9% Georgian (Georgia) @ 2.13
    2 54% Armenian (Armenia) + 46% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.18
    3 71.3% Italian (Tuscany) + 28.7% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 2.21
    4 68.4% Italian (Tuscany) + 31.6% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 2.3
    5 60.9% Italian (Bergamo) + 39.1% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.39
    6 69% Italian (Tuscany) + 31% Adjar (Adjaria) @ 2.41
    7 59.5% Armenian (Armenia) + 40.5% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.48
    8 51.7% Spanish (Baleares) + 48.3% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.49
    9 71.5% Italian (Tuscany) + 28.5% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.5
    10 59.8% Italian (Bergamo) + 40.2% Georgian (Georgia) @ 2.66
    11 69.9% Italian (Tuscany) + 30.1% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 2.66
    12 57.9% Italian (Bergamo) + 42.1% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 2.78
    13 69.5% Corsican (Corsica) + 30.5% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.86
    14 65.3% Italian (Tuscany) + 34.7% Armenian (Erzrum) @ 2.91
    15 50.3% Armenian (Armenia) + 49.7% Spanish (Andalucia) @ 2.92
    16 50.2% Turk (Trabzon) + 49.8% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) @ 2.92
    17 58.5% Italian (Bergamo) + 41.5% Adjar (Adjaria) @ 2.95
    18 56.3% Georgian (Laz) + 43.7% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.95
    19 61.3% Italian (Bergamo) + 38.7% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 2.98
    20 65.1% Corsican (Corsica) + 34.9% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 3.06


    MDLP K23b Oracle results:


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 40.53
    2 European_Early_Farmers 21.57
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 12.87
    4 Near_East 7.9
    5 South_Central_Asian 6.98
    6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.19
    7 North_African 3.16
    8 Arctic 1.75
    9 South_Indian 0.94
    10 African_Pygmy 0.31
    11 East_African 0.28
    12 East_Siberian 0.24
    13 Archaic_African 0.17
    14 Austronesian 0.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Central_Greek ( ) 3.58
    2 Greek ( ) 4.52
    3 Greek_Athens ( ) 4.81
    4 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 5
    5 Romanian_Jew ( ) 5.13
    6 Cretan ( ) 5.44
    7 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 5.82
    8 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 5.92
    9 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 5.93
    10 Ashkenazi ( ) 6.05
    11 Greek_Macedonia ( ) 6.34
    12 Italian_South ( ) 6.38
    13 Greek_Phokaia ( ) 6.46
    14 Greek_Smyrna ( ) 6.5
    15 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 7.1
    16 Gagauz ( ) 7.23
    17 Sicilian_Center ( ) 7.59
    18 Sicilian_East ( ) 7.76
    19 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 8.09
    20 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 8.34

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.1% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 47.9% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 2.15
    2 90.8% Central_Greek ( ) + 9.2% Kurd ( ) @ 2.3
    3 89.7% Central_Greek ( ) + 10.3% Kurd_North ( ) @ 2.34
    4 90.8% Central_Greek ( ) + 9.2% Kurd_East ( ) @ 2.35
    5 90.7% Central_Greek ( ) + 9.3% Kurd_South ( ) @ 2.38
    6 82.1% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 17.9% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.41
    7 90.2% Central_Greek ( ) + 9.8% Azeri ( ) @ 2.42
    8 91.5% Central_Greek ( ) + 8.5% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 2.45
    9 95.7% Greek_Athens ( ) + 4.3% Kalash ( ) @ 2.46
    10 86.6% Central_Greek ( ) + 13.4% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 2.46
    11 54.7% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) + 45.3% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.47
    12 92.6% Greek_Athens ( ) + 7.4% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 2.47
    13 92.2% Greek_Athens ( ) + 7.8% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.48
    14 88.3% Central_Greek ( ) + 11.7% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 2.48
    15 90.2% Central_Greek ( ) + 9.8% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 2.5
    16 90.1% Central_Greek ( ) + 9.9% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) @ 2.51
    17 91.8% Central_Greek ( ) + 8.2% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 2.51
    18 90.8% Central_Greek ( ) + 9.2% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 2.52
    19 92.5% Central_Greek ( ) + 7.5% Lak ( ) @ 2.56
    20 88.1% Central_Greek ( ) + 11.9% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 2.57



    Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 32.79
    2 Atlantic_Med 27.16
    3 North_European 18.68
    4 Southwest_Asian 9.76
    5 Gedrosia 8.18
    6 Northwest_African 1.46
    7 Sub_Saharan 0.7
    8 Siberian 0.59
    9 South_Asian 0.36
    10 East_African 0.31

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.39
    2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.08
    3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.13
    4 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.49
    5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.89
    6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.01
    7 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.43
    8 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.08
    9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.11
    10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 14.75
    11 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 16.32
    12 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.85
    13 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 16.88
    14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.1
    15 Romanians (Behar) 17.69
    16 North_Italian (HGDP) 19
    17 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.67
    18 Cypriots (Behar) 22.03
    19 Turks (Behar) 23.05
    20 Lebanese (Behar) 25.31

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 79.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 20.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52
    2 78.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.64
    3 74.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.6% Turks (Behar) @ 1.67
    4 72.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.89
    5 80.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.92
    6 80.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.97
    7 62% Cypriots (Behar) + 38% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.02
    8 80.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.08
    9 80.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 2.13
    10 65.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.17
    11 64% Cypriots (Behar) + 36% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.17
    12 64% Cypriots (Behar) + 36% English (Dodecad) @ 2.21
    13 63.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.3% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.26
    14 65.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.27
    15 63.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.3
    16 65.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.31
    17 79.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 20.1% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.32
    18 92.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.33
    19 65.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.5% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.36
    20 80.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.5% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.37

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    Cool results. I am fascinated about Crusaders DNA in the Levant. We were told of having Crusader ancestry through France but in those samples, many were diverse with diverse origins.

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    Funny how the authors couldn't distinguish Germans from Basques. SI41 with DF27 must be a Southeast Spaniard of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Funny how the authors couldn't distinguish Germans from Basques. SI41 with DF27 must be a Southeast Spaniard of the time.
    this is where SI41 plots


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    Quote Originally Posted by guezet View Post
    this is where SI41 plots

    Yeah, somewhere between Spaniards and Northwest Africans, very similar to the pre-Reconquista Southeast Spaniards.

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