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    And the West Lothian Question still stands. We want our own government and parliament for England. English MP's aren't allowed to intervene in the Scottish, Welsh, or NI Assemblies... yet Scottish MP's can make laws on behalf of England in the UK Houses of Parliament which only affects the people living in England.

    The murderous and barbaric King James of Scotland forced the Union onto us. He was the first ever king to call himself as the 'King of Great Britain.' Guy Fawkes nearly blew him 'back to his Scottish mountains.'

    Also we want equal rights in education and healthcare in England that is given to people in Scotland. The discrimination against the English in the U.K. has led to the rise of the English Democrats Party who seek independence from the U.K.

    Despite Scotland's obesity problem, over twice as much U.K. taxmoney is spent funding Scottish childrens schoolmeals than the amount spent per schoolmeal per child in England. If Scotland left the UK, the obesity percentage would reduce for the rest of the UK.

    11 free vital life-saving drugs are available to patients who live in Scotland... but not for patients who live in England.


    Free tuition for Scottish students whether they choose to study in Scotland or England.... who get it scot-free... whereas English students must pay Łthousands whether they choose to study in Scotland or England.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥ Lily ♥ View Post
    And the West Lothian Question still stands. We want our own government and parliament for England. English MP's aren't allowed to intervene in the Scottish, Welsh, or NI Assemblies... yet Scotish MP's can make laws in the UK Houses of Parliament in Westminster which only affects the people living in England.

    The murderous and barbaric King James of Scotland forced the Union onto us. He was the first ever king to call himself as the 'King of Great Britain.' Guy Fawkes nearly blew him 'back to his Scottish mountains.'

    Also we want equal rights in education and healthcare in England that is given to people in Scotland. The discrimination against the English in the U.K. has led to the rise of the English Democrats Party who seek independence from the U.K.

    Despite Scotland's obesity problem, over twice as much U.K. taxmoney is spent funding Scottish childrens schoolmeals than the amount spent per schoolmeal per child in England. If Scotland left the UK, the obesity percentage would reduce for the rest of the UK.

    11 free vital life-saving drugs are available to patients who live in Scotland... but not for patients who live in England.


    Free tuition for Scottish students whether they choose to study in Scotland or England.... who get it scot-free... whereas English students must pay Łthousands whether they choose to study in Scotland or England.



    Happy St Georges Day!

    Unfortunately there is so much wrong with what you have written I don't know where to start. First off the West Lothian question doesn't stand. have you never heard of EVEL? English votes for English laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...r_English_laws.

    "English votes for English laws (EVEL) is a set of procedures of the House of Commons of the Parliament of the United Kingdom whereby legislation which affects only England requires the support of a majority of MPs representing English constituencies."

    Westminster by it's very nature has an inbuilt English majority with England having 533 Mps compared to Scotland's 59, to claim that there is some sort of democratic deficit in England is ridiculous.

    England always gets the government it votes for, the same is not true for Scotland or Wales.

    As for the the UK Government not being able to interfere in the devolved parliaments, that is simply not true, the UK government has literally just taken the Scottish government to court in order to overrule the continuity bill that was passed by the Scottish government, not to mention the UK's refusal to accept that there will be another independence referendum despite that also being passed by the Scottish parliament, they are also clawing back devolved powers that according the Sewell Convention should be returning to Scotland from Europe after brexit, The EU withdrawal bill contains a power grab of critical devolved areas such as fishing and farming – and even aspects of our independent justice system.

    King James predates the Union between England and Scotland by over 100 years, you are thinking of the Union of crowns in 1603, the act of union didn't happen until 1707, and was brought about by bribery and threat of invasion by England, there was literally an army on the border ready to invade should Scotland reject union. And riots in Scotland's cities against the union.

    As for UK Tax money being spent in Scotland, I think you will find that Scottish people also pay tax, and it is our own money we are spending. Scotland gives the uk through taxes 52 billion pounds and in turn 37 billion of our own money is returned to Scotland through the Barnett formula. In turn the uk claims to spend 25 billion on behalf of Scotland.

    The money that is spent on School meals, education and healthcare is down to the Scottish government prioritising spending on these things rather than silly projects such as HS2 (Ł55.7 billion) Trident renewal (Ł31 bn) amongst others, which Scotland also has to pay towards and which is then classed as Scottish expenditure, despite not even being built in Scotland. If you have a problem with the lack of spending on Education and Healthcare in England then it's a problem created by your own politicians and absolutely nothing to do with Scotland. Perhaps if the English government wasn't throwing Ł1bn pound bribes at the DUP you could give poor English kids free school meals.

    I Fully support English independence and look forward to the day when we can be friendly neighbors rather than Scotland being treated as an unwelcome lodger in our own country. And I'm sure Scotland with it's vast natural resources and exports will thrive like every other similar sized nation in Europe.
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    The real patron saint of England, not Johnny Turk
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the_Martyr

    St Edmund, Original Patron Saint of England

    by Ellen Castelow

    It is commonly accepted that St George is the Patron Saint of England. We celebrate St George’s Day on April 23rd when the red cross of St George flies proudly from the flag pole. But should we instead be raising the White Dragon flag on November 20th?

    It is surprising to learn that St George was not the first patron saint of England. That honour was originally held by St Edmund, or Edmund the Martyr, King of East Anglia in the 9th century AD.

    Born on Christmas Day 841 AD, Edmund succeeded to the throne of East Anglia in 856. A Christian from birth, he fought alongside King Alfred of Wessex against the pagan Viking and Norse invaders (the Great Heathen Army) until 869/70 when his forces were defeated and Edmund was captured by the Vikings. He was ordered to renounce his faith and share power with the pagan Vikings, but he refused.



    According to the 10th century account of the saint’s life by Abbo of Fleury, who quotes St Dunstan as his source, Edmund was then bound to a tree, shot through by arrows and beheaded. The date was 20th November. His decapitated head is said to have been reunited with its body with the help of a talking wolf who protected the head and then called out “Hic, Hic, Hic” (“Here, Here, Here”) to alert Edmund’s followers.

    Edmund and the talking wolf

    It is uncertain where he was killed; some accounts state Bradfield St Clare near Bury St Edmunds, others Maldon in Essex or Hoxne in Suffolk.

    What is known is that in 902 his remains were moved to Bedricsworth (modern Bury St. Edmunds) where King Athelstan founded a religious community to care for his shrine which became a place of national pilgrimage.

    King Canute built a stone abbey on the site in 1020 to house the shrine. For centuries Edmund’s resting place was patronised by the kings of England and the abbey became increasingly wealthy as the cult of St Edmund grew.

    Such was the influence of St Edmund that on St Edmund’s Day in 1214 rebel English barons held a secret meeting here before going to confront King John with the Charter of Liberties, the forerunner to Magna Carta which he signed a year later. This event is reflected in the motto of Bury St Edmunds: ‘Shrine of a King, Cradle of the Law’.

    St Edmund’s influence began to fade when, during the Third Crusade in 1199, King Richard I visited the tomb of St. George in Lydda on the eve of battle. The next day he won a great victory. Following this triumph, Richard adopted St. George as his personal patron and protector of the army.

    White Dragon flag of St Edmund

    Although the banner of St. Edmund was still carried into battle by the English army, by the time of Edward I it had been joined by the flag of St. George.

    In 1348, Edward III founded a new order of chivalry, the Knights of the Garter. Edward made St George the patron of the Order and also declared him Patron Saint of England.

    What became of Edmund? During the Dissolution of the Monasteries under Henry VIII, his remains were removed to France where they remained until 1911. Today they are kept in the chapel in Arundel Castle.

    But St Edmund has not been forgotten.

    An attempt was made in 2006 to have St Edmund reinstated as patron saint of England. A petition was handed into Parliament but it was rejected by the government.

    In 2013 another campaign was launched to reinstate St Edmund as patron saint. This was the ‘St Edmund for England’ e-petition, backed by the Bury St Edmunds based brewery, Greene King.

    This tongue-in-cheek yet serious campaign questioned whether St George, patron saint of 16 other countries, ever even visited England. It suggested he should be replaced by an Englishman, and who better than the Anglo-Saxon martyr-king St Edmund.


    The White Dragon of St Edmund is the first attested symbol of the English nation (as opposed to the Welsh red dragon).
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