Modern hungarians are just assimilated germanic,slavic and celtic people?

[Tigranes]

Typical Nomad Problems

[Adam Janossy]

Number of conquerors were not big, only 30000-50000 people, Dr. Tibor Török, from the Hungarian Academy of Sciences (MTA:



1. Conquerors had significant asian genetic (15-20%), if the were more numerous than locals than modern hungarians would be more "asian", but only 0,5% is the asian genom among hungarians today.

2. The hungarian conqueror graves are very limited and rare, it proves this population was not much. If the conquerors were between half and 1 million than the graves would be more numerous.

This small elite assimilated the locals because: 1. military dominance, 2. cultural dominance (statehood of St. Stephen).

Wrong. It is huge number for the medieval standards. And second, conquerors blood was diluted trough the many wars in the region, since conquerors became Knights who perish in big numbers during fighting.
After Mongol and Ottoman destruction, many Slavic and German peasants were settled to Hungary. Vlach sheperds arrive in that time too.

[Adam Janossy]

Early Hungarian Kings invited many German French Hollander North Italian craftsmen to live in free royal towns too.

[Blondie]

Wrong. It is huge number for the medieval standards. And second, conquerors blood was diluted trough the many wars in the region, since conquerors became Knights who perish in big numbers during fighting.
After Mongol and Ottoman destruction, many Slavic and German peasants were settled to Hungary. Vlach sheperds arrive in that time too.

But it does not explain the very limited conqueror graves and the 0,5% asian genetic which is nothing. I think the hungarian nation is similar to french, there was a dominant elite/ruler class (magyars in Hungary and romans in France) and they assimilated the locals (slavo-germans in Hungary and celto-germans in France) with military and cultural methods. This is my opinion, of course i can be wrong this age is very vague and there are lot of speculation.

[Videx]

Basically yes.

[Blondie]

Another version is the conquerors were already mostly slavo-germanic (eastern slavs, goths, vikings), the genetic sources confirmed it. 40% of them had germanic mtdna and minor slavic:

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...raczki_PhD.pdf

Y markers, there is 29 haplogroup from conquerors and 18 is slavic & germanic, 5 is finno-ugric:



Interesting but genetically avars were mostly finno-ugric (N haplo):



So:

1. very possible that local slavo-avars were hungarian speakers and they assimilated the conquerors who spoked maybe turkic, germanic, or slavic language.

2. the conquerors were magyars speakers and their number was between half and 1 million but genetically they were mostly slavo-germanic (just like the locals in CB) that's why we can't see the genetic difference between conquerors and locals because they had same or similar haplogroups.

3. my earlier version and conquerors were not numerous

[Lehel]

Another version is the conquerors were already mostly slavo-germanic (eastern slavs, goths, vikings), the genetic sources confirmed it. 40% of them had germanic mtdna and minor slavic:

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...raczki_PhD.pdf

Y markers, there is 29 haplogroup from conquerors and 18 is slavic & germanic, 5 is finno-ugric:



Interesting but genetically avars were mostly finno-ugric (N haplo):



So:

1. very possible that local slavo-avars were hungarian speakers and they assimilated the conquerors who spoked maybe turkic, germanic, or slavic language.

2. the conquerors were magyars speakers and their number was between half and 1 million but genetically they were mostly slavo-germanic (just like the locals in CB) that's why we can't see the genetic difference between conquerors and locals because they had same or similar haplogroups.

3. my earlier version and conquerors were not numerous

It's the second.
The question is why and how? We will probably never know though.

[oszkar07]

Another version is the conquerors were already mostly slavo-germanic (eastern slavs, goths, vikings), the genetic sources confirmed it. 40% of them had germanic mtdna and minor slavic:

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...raczki_PhD.pdf

Y markers, there is 29 haplogroup from conquerors and 18 is slavic & germanic, 5 is finno-ugric:



Interesting but genetically avars were mostly finno-ugric (N haplo):



So:

1. very possible that local slavo-avars were hungarian speakers and they assimilated the conquerors who spoked maybe turkic, germanic, or slavic language.

2. the conquerors were magyars speakers and their number was between half and 1 million but genetically they were mostly slavo-germanic (just like the locals in CB) that's why we can't see the genetic difference between conquerors and locals because they had same or similar haplogroups.

3. my earlier version and conquerors were not numerous

All interesting points , the mystery of the Honfoglalas continues.

I feel your first 2 points can be real possibilities.
The Conquerors dont appear numerous due to DNA difference but your point 2 could be an alternative explanation.

[oszkar07]

Early Hungarian Kings invited many German French Hollander North Italian craftsmen to live in free royal towns too.

True, my Ydna haplogroup could have come from such invitations.