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    They probably venerated totemic animals like Bulls and Mother Goddesses as symbols of fertility.

    In Sardinia there are thousands neolithic tombs carved into the rocks, many of them decorated with bull heads. Also many statuettes of Mother Goddesses have been found throughout Sardinia and the Mediterranean sea, where traces of neolithic peoples have been found, like in Malta and in the Cycladic islands.

    Ancient Sardinians also venerated holy sources, there are many temples build upon wells, where they probably practiced some cult. In the most famous Sacred Well, that of Santa Cristina, during the autumn equinox the sun rays descend the stairs at the entrance of the well, illuminating the well's chamber. While during few nights every year the moon rays enter through the hole at the top of the dome that covers the well's chamber illuminating the water basin, you can also see the reflex of the moon on the water.









    Mother Goddesses statuettes



    Sacred Well of Santa Cristina. Notice the shape, it looks like a stylized woman or a stylized uterus










    Notice the shape of the well. The same stylized shape can be found in the symbol of Tanit, the Phoenician Goddess of fertility, and also in the Egyptian symbol "Ankh", known as the "key of life".

    Symbols of Tanit






    Egyptian Ankh





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    I guess they worshiped the mother goddess or something. The PIE peoples worshiped their unique mythologies that are all linked to one another like in the case with Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.

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    Religion did not come until the invention of writing and neither did astronomy or mathematics.

    Ancient historians including Eusebius state that there was no religion before people started to worship their ancestors. All they did before that was to attempt to explain nature by the means of observation of natural phenomena. No tribute, ritual or sacrifices were ever made to these phenomena so it is
    stated they were no considered religious.

    It was recorded historical how, why and when religion was invented. It didn't exist before writing. It was nothing more than ancestor worship. It consisted entirely of the worship of their departed ancestors.

    Eusebius: "But I think it must be evident to every one on consideration that the first and most ancient of mankind did not apply themselves either to building temples or to setting up statues, since at that time no art of painting, or modelling, [or carving], or statuary had yet been discovered, nor, indeed, were building or architecture as yet established.

    Nor was there any mention among the men of that age of those who have since been denominated god; and heroes, nor had they any Zeus, nor Kronos, Poseidon, Apollo, Hera, Athena, Dionysus, nor any other deity, either male or female, such as there were afterwards in multitudes among both barbarians and Greeks; nor was there any daemon good or bad reverenced among men, but only the visible stars of heaven because of their running (θεειν) received, as they themselves say, the title of gods (θεων), and even these were not worshipped with animal sacrifices and the honours afterwards superstitiously invented.

    This statement is not ours, but the testimony comes from within, and from the Greeks themselves, and supplies its proof by the words which have been already quoted and by those which will hereafter be set forth in due order".
    Before writing there were no gods whatsoever since no memory can be passed down beyond living memory without it. Before writing was invented and ancestral kings were made into gods nobody believed in anything except the forces of nature, and in that case they were regarded as nothing more than the physical forces that they are known to be today and markers of time, the weather and the harvest.

    Nobody is born with any urge whatsoever to worship any kind of god. Religion is something that is brainwashed into you. Animals don't worship gods and neither did pre-historical humans. The gods of the Babylonians and Assyrians were the kings of the Sumerians. The gods of the Egyptians were their predynastic rulers. The gods of the Phoenicians were their past kings and those of the Jews, Hurrians, Greeks, Romans and Hindus and even the Vikings were the same entities as the Phoenician gods of the
    Hyksos period who were Minoan kings who ruled over Palestine, Egypt, Crete and Troy. That is what the historical consensus is and always has been.

    The height of power of the gods was during the Hyksos period before the Thera Eruption between 1700 and 1628 BC. We have the names of gods including Saturn, Zeus, Sarapis and the Phoenician and Jewish god Jehovah extant in Egyptian and Linear A inscriptions as kings from that period, Satur, Sheshi
    Saasitepis/Ausstaeb/Istaveon), Saapis (Apophis/Awoserre Apepi), Meruserenre Yakubher, as well as the names of other Greek kings who ruled over Egypt including Epaphus - Apachnas/Seneferankhre Apepi, Agenor - Aqenienre Apepi, Aegyptus..

    Mystery religions were so called because they were about the misdeeds or sins of the gods and were so called from the Greek word Mysos meaning Unclean. There was nothing whatsoever mysterious about them. They were kept secret because people didn't want to talk about the gods committing the rape and murder of their own sisters and brothers.

    The history of the gods was written in the time in which they lived by the palace chronographers and historians and other clerics who wrote day to day records of all the events that took place and was also based on primary sources including official dispatches, recognisance reports carried out in regard to battles and defence and logistics documents, the latter of which are still extant today in Linear B and Linear A (but mostly illegible in Linear A). Their locations of their graves were known and became places of pilgrimage.

    Before the religious rituals of the gods came to Greece and that was in around 1474 BC brought by the Greek Egyptians (Hyksos) and before that the kings were simply regarded as kings and paid funery honours and nothing more.

    Read Sir Isaac Newton

    "From these originals it came into fashion among the Greeks, κτεριζειν, parentare, to celebrate the funerals of dead parents with festivals and invocations and sacrifices offered to their ghosts, and to erect magnificent sepulchres in the form of temples, with altars and statues, to persons of renown; and there to honour them publickly with sacrifices and invocations: every man might do it to his ancestors; and the cities of Greece did it to all the eminent Greeks: ...."

    "They Deified their dead in divers manners, according to their abilities and circumstances, and the merits of the person; some only in private families, as houshold Gods or Dii Pænates; others by erecting gravestones to them in public, -to be used as altars for annual sacrifices; others, by building also to them sepulchres in the form of houses or temples; and some by appointing mysteries, and ceremonies, and set sacrifices, and festivals, and initiations, and a succession of priests for performing those institutions
    in the temples, and handing them down to posterity. Altars might begin to be erected in Europe a little before the days of Cadmus, for sacrificing to the old God or Gods of the Colonies ...."


    http://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.u...ode=normalized

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    I guess they worshiped the mother goddess or something. The PIE peoples worshiped their unique mythologies that are all linked to one another like in the case with Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.
    There were NO ancient mother goddess cultures. The very notion is a 19th century revisionist fantasy, unsubstantiated speculation, unsupported by historians.

    There were no such thing as God until they were invented at the same time as writing. The two go hand in hand. Non literate societies do not worship any Gods except the forces of nature and the heavenly bodies so as to predict the seasons. That was obvious to ancient writers from observation. Gods are an invention of civilisation through the deification of kings and the preservation of the historical deeds they performed and nothing more.

    Even hinduism Hinduism is ancestor worship and nothing more. All of its Gods are deified ancestors and some of them such as Krishna are defied kings from a later period syncretised with earlier Gods. Buddhism is a form of ancestor worship and its deity is Buddah himself weather it admits to it or not.

    There is not one hstorical account to support the notion of mother, sky or fertility Godesses.

    The Venus- like figurines from the Neolithic are not Venus figurines but stone age pornography and masturbation aids which the HUNTER GATHERERS took with them on long expeditions away from their wives. It wasn't for a couple of days that they left. It was for months or even years if they were fighting a territorial war. They are nothing whatsoever to do with fertility other than something which gave the cave man that made it a hardon.

    Why would a civilisation which at the time only consisted of hunter gatherers worship a mother goddess when they did not grow crops or farm animal, but hunted them. These things do not have a religious significance whatsoever. If these hunter gatherers worshiped a god it would have first and foremost been a war god or a god of hunting and we find none of those. They are pornography, nothing more and nothing less.

    The term Neolithic refers to a specific time period beginning 10,000 years ago and at this time the people of Europe were Hunter Gathers. Now why would these porn dollies be found in central Europe at a time when the only people there were hunter gathers unless they were porn dollies.

    You try carving a an anatomically explicit vagina and anatomically explicit breasts on a piece of animal bone the size of your thumb. The only thing you can do is emphasise the size of the sexually evocative features, tits and arse.

    Venus was not a fertility goddess. She was a goddess of Prostitution. Ask yourself this simple question. Why are they name Venus figurines after the Roman Goddess of prostitutes, and why are they always naked. They are porn dollies plain and simple.

    Demeter/Cares was the goddess of the corn not Aphrodite/Venus. Why weren't they called Demeter figures. It's because they were identified as pornography and associated with prostitution. They may have even been used as necklaces to identify women as prostitutes to their johns.

    The people that made fruit and berry images lived their lives by migrating from place to place when they'd picked all the berries and hunted all the animals and the sheep and goats if they had any had consumed all the grass. Fertility goddess BULLSHIT.

    Eusebius would have known of hunter gatherers who were still in Europe and Africa and he would have known that they had no Gods whatsoever. Religion is something which was invented in Mesopotamia in about 3500 BC at the same time as writing and was nothing more than ancestor worship based on recorded history. This religion was then exported to their neighbours who then exported it to their neighbours until it reached Europe, China and even the Americas. Left alone man had no reason whatsoever to believe in any kind of God.

    Godesses like Ishtar had nothing to do with matriarchy or mother Godess. She was a Goddess of war and prostitution who was deified by her descendents who ruled over Sumeria at the time the Gilgamesh story was written down.

    We know from historical texts that there was no such thing as the concept of a goddess until someone deified on of their queens and wrote down the deeds she did so that her descendents would know how great she was. Before this there were no gods and goddesses except the forces of nature and the heavenly objects which were venerated because they governed over the passage of the season and helped with navigation. Nobody made offerings to them, they simply used them to do basic agricultural and navigational science. Making offerings to the Gods is an exact copy of giving tribute to a feudal lord, or haven't you noticed. Feudalism was the system in pre-Dynastic and Dynastic Egypt and Ancient Sumeria and Assyrian and Babylon.

    People do not go contemplating a higher intelligence or the afterlife until they are first comfortably well off enough not to need to think about where their next meal is going to come from, defending themselves from invaders or having to work for a living, and this one comes with the foundation of cities and city states, and city states do not exist without writing as a means of accounting and organisation. You can therefore take it for granted that there were no Gods of any kind before the Sumerians. Gods are a consequence of organised civilisation not agriculture or hunting and gathering.

    The Aboriginals were living every day in fear of where their next meal would come from and being attacked by intruders and wild animals. They had not science, philosophy, sophisticated art, metallurgy, pottery, literature, proper music, or anything that would indicated they had contemplated anything of a higher nature such as religion which only come with civilisation and being well of, safe and secure both physically and financially.

    The Orgia were the commemoration of the sins and excesses of the Gods. That's what the word actually means and women were part of it. The orgia of Dionysus involved women masturbating themseves. When men organised orgies they hired orostitutes (flue girls) to entertain the guests. They would never invite their own wives and daughters to participate.

    "'I think, too, that we ought to trace the etymology of "orgies" and "mysteries," the one from the anger (οργης) of Deo aroused against Zeus, and the other from the pollution (μυσους) which had occurred with regard to Dionysus. Or even if you derive it from a certain Myus of Attica, who perished in hunting, as Apollodorus says, I do not grudge that your mysteries have been glorified by the honour of a name which is engraved upon a tomb.

    'In another way also you may think of your mysteries as mytheria (hunting-stories) by the correspondence of letters." Bacchantes by Euripides

    There weren't any gods before the advent of writing since gods are nothing more than defied kings and ancetors whose memories are preserved in historical texts which became written prayers. What is most important is what is recorded in historical texts not something made up be science fiction writers pretending to be historians.

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    First of all one needs to find out if they even had a word for "God" or "Gods" like the Indo-Europeans did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    First of all one needs to find out if they even had a word for "God" or "Gods" like the Indo-Europeans did.
    yea they could have just believed in animism and spirits etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mens-Sarda View Post
    They probably venerated totemic animals like Bulls and Mother Goddesses as symbols of fertility.

    In Sardinia there are thousands neolithic tombs carved into the rocks, many of them decorated with bull heads. Also many statuettes of Mother Goddesses have been found throughout Sardinia and the Mediterranean sea, where traces of neolithic peoples have been found, like in Malta and in the Cycladic islands.

    Ancient Sardinians also venerated holy sources, there are many temples build upon wells, where they probably practiced some cult. In the most famous Sacred Well, that of Santa Cristina, during the autumn equinox the sun rays descend the stairs at the entrance of the well, illuminating the well's chamber. While during few nights every year the moon rays enter through the hole at the top of the dome that covers the well's chamber illuminating the water basin, you can also see the reflex of the moon on the water.









    Mother Goddesses statuettes



    Sacred Well of Santa Cristina. Notice the shape, it looks like a stylized woman or a stylized uterus










    Notice the shape of the well. The same stylized shape can be found in the symbol of Tanit, the Phoenician Goddess of fertility, and also in the Egyptian symbol "Ankh", known as the "key of life".

    Symbols of Tanit






    Egyptian Ankh







    You are a Sardinian noble very well educated.

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