East Finnish sports superiority over West Finland

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Lundman's map also shows that "the intensity of the Nordic race" is lower on average in Denmark than in Southwestern Finland or Estonia.

The map says "beräknad efter kartorna 1-4" ("calculated based on maps 1-4"), where map 1 is adult male height, map 2 is cephalic index, map 3 is percentage of males with light or mixed eyes, and map 4 is percentage of 22-year-old men with light hair color (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rastyper-03.htm). (Did Lundman really have data of the hair color of specifically 22-year-old males even from multiple regions of Finland?)

Anyway, I don't trust Lundman's data, because his map for eye color shows Finland as being much darker-eyed than Sweden, and it shows multiple regions of Sweden as having 97-98% light and mixed eyes. In Lundman's map for adult male height, Finns are also shown to be much shorter than Swedes, but in the Wikipedia article titled "Average human height by country", adult male height is listed as 181.5 cm in Sweden and 180.7 cm in Finland.

A table published by a Polish blog based on data collected by Karin Mark includes two Eastern Finnish populations (Northeast Finns and Ingrians) and one North Germanic population (Finland-Swedes). Both Northeast Finns and Ingrians have lighter average hair color than Finland-Swedes. The average eye color is the same in Ingrians and Finland-Swedes but lighter than either in Northeast Finns.

(average eye color (lower is lighter);average hair color (lower is lighter);population)
0.29;3.00;Izhorian
0.32;2.86;Northeast Finnish
0.33;2.80;Finnish
0.36;3.26;Livonian
0.37;2.36;Northwest Russian (Ostrov)
0.37;2.71;Estonian
0.39;2.90;Ingrian
0.39;2.99;Finland-Swede
0.40;2.85;Votic-Izhorian
0.46;2.92;Karelian
0.48;2.05;Curonian
0.49;3.02;Mordvin (Karatai)
0.50;2.78;Northern Latvian (Limbaži)
0.53;3.11;Mordvin (Erzya)
0.54;3.08;Vepsian
0.56;2.94;Mordvin (Teryukhan)
0.62;3.25;Volga-Ural Russian
0.64;3.08;Komi-Zyrian
0.71;3.18;Mordvin (Moksha)
0.77;3.20;Komi-Permyak
0.78;3.36;Saami
0.91;3.31;Udmurt (Besserman)
0.92;3.46;Mari
0.95;3.26;Udmurt
1.12;3.63;Tatar
1.12;3.60;Chuvash
1.28;3.67;Mansi
1.32;3.82;Bashkir
1.39;3.73;Khanty

A "pigmentation index" was the lowest in Estonians, followed by Finns, Northeast Finns, Izhorians, Ingrians, Finland-Swedes, and Karelians:

Here is another map from a book by Herman Lundborg. As you can see, he was hardly as generous as Lundman. No Nordid Finns with Swedish blood whatsoever.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Here is another map from a book by Herman Lundborg. As you can see, he was hardly as generous as Lundman. No Nordid Finns with Swedish blood whatsoever.

What is that map based on? If it's based on the same eye color data that Lundman used, it is similarly suspect as Lundman's map. If it's based on height, its data might be outdated like in Lundman's map.

Anyway, I prefer the East Baltid phenotype over Nordid types (or especially gracile Nordid types like Hallstatt), and I'm more obsessed with looking like Mari or Saami than looking Swedish.

For example out of these two Finnish cross-country skiers, I think the one on the left who looks more Swedish looks worse, and the one on the right (Krista Pärmäkoski) who looks exaggeratedly Finnish looks better. The one on the left has a narrower and more elongated face, a longer and narrower nose, a nose that is more pointed downwards and less convex, a more pointy chin (which I associate with Germanic people), thinner lips, and more prominent eyelids.



Similarly out of these two Swedish skiers (Stina Nilsson and Jonna Sundling), the one on the right who looks more Finnish looks better. She has a wider and less elongated face, a wider and shorter nose, less prominent eyelids, and a less pointy chin.



Krista Pärmäkoski (nee Lähteenmäki) is the highest-ranked Finnish female cross-country skier, and she's Western Finnish BTW.

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What is that map based on? If it's based on the same eye color data that Lundman used, it is similarly suspect as Lundman's map. If it's based on height, its data might be outdated like in Lundman's map.

Anyway, I prefer the East Baltid phenotype over Nordid types (or especially gracile Nordid types like Hallstatt), and I'm more obsessed with looking like Mari or Saami than looking Swedish.

For example out of these two Finnish cross-country skiers, I think the one on the left who looks more Swedish looks worse, and the one on the right (Krista Pärmäkoski) who looks exaggeratedly Finnish looks better. The one on the left has a narrower and more elongated face, a longer and narrower nose, a nose that is more pointed downwards and less convex, a more pointy chin (which I associate with Germanic people), thinner lips, and more prominent eyelids.



Similarly out of these two Swedish skiers (Stina Nilsson and Jonna Sundling), the one on the right who looks more Finnish looks better. She has a wider and less elongated face, a wider and shorter nose, less prominent eyelids, and a less pointy chin.



Krista Pärmäkoski (nee Lähteenmäki) is the highest-ranked Finnish female cross-country skier, and she's Western Finnish BTW.

This was based on measurements that found Finns to be majority brachycephalic. The ironic thing though was that also Swedish-speaking Ostrobothnians were listed as having identical CI to their Finnish-speaking neighbours. Yet, they were the Swedish race and Finns were the Tavastian race (pp. 85-86).

https://archive.org/details/swedishn...ndrich/page/n6

[Ymyyakhtakh]

This was based on measurements that found Finns to be majority brachycephalic. The ironic thing though was that also Swedish-speaking Ostrobothnians were listed as having identical CI to their Finnish-speaking neighbours. Yet, they were the Swedish race and Finns were the Tavastian race (pp. 85-86).

https://archive.org/details/swedishn...ndrich/page/n6

Here are also maps based on Lundborg and Linders from Biasutti (1959) (Le razze e i popoli della terra, Volume 2) (https://archive.org/details/lerazzeeipopolid02bias).

In the first map, the prevalence of light-colored eyes is shown to be 90-95% in both Western Finland and Eastern Finland. Latvia and the northern half of Lithuania are shown to have a prevalence of light eyes of over 95%. Zealand is partially in a more dark-eyed class than the non-Saami regions of Finland.

In the second map, parts of Ostrobothnia and the Southwestern Finland are shown to have a lower cephalic index than any part of Denmark.

The fourth map shows parts of Latvia as being more "Nordic" than Denmark.

[Daco Celtic]

East Finnish sports superiority over West Finland

You learn something new every day

[Östsvensk]

Here are also maps based on Lundborg and Linders from Biasutti (1959) (Le razze e i popoli della terra, Volume 2) (https://archive.org/details/lerazzeeipopolid02bias).

In the first map, the prevalence of light-colored eyes is shown to be 90-95% in both Western Finland and Eastern Finland. Latvia and the northern half of Lithuania are shown to have a prevalence of light eyes of over 95%. Zealand is partially in a more dark-eyed class than the non-Saami regions of Finland.

In the second map, parts of Ostrobothnia and the Southwestern Finland are shown to have a lower cephalic index than any part of Denmark.

The fourth map shows parts of Latvia as being more "Nordic" than Denmark.

According to that map, Southern Ostrobothnians would be on par with SW Finns. 23andme appear to say that they are closer to Tavastians and even to Eastern Finns:


(Those are probably the results of a Swede with Forest Finn ancestry, and we knew that Forest Finns were from Northern Tavastia and Savonia)

[Harkonnen]

East Finnish sports superiority over West Finland

You learn something new every day

East Finnish sports superiority is a statistical FACT




Most Finnish olympic medalists are East Finnish and at the same time East Finland has much lower total population. If you counted medals/million Karelians, the Karelian medal count per capita would be double to that of whole Finland. BROADSKULL POWAH

[Lemminkäinen]

But how can Markkanen be East Finnish? I wonder it because Markka was the Finnish unit of currency before Euro and of German origin. Would Euronen be also East Finnish?

[Lemminkäinen]

Isn't that true of only Forest Finns, but not of the Finns who migrated to Sweden after World War 2?

The map below shows how many promilles (not percent) of the population of each Finnish municipality migrated to Sweden in the year 1970 (which was the peak year of Finnish migration to Sweden along with 1969). The darkest regions are mostly in Lapland, Ostrobothnia, and in the Swedish-speaking municipalities of southern Finland. Of course almost no-one lives in Lapland. Today even the combined population of the four Ostrobothnian regions of Finland (about 830,000) is about five times the population of the region of Lapland (about 180,000).


http://www.migrationinstitute.fi/fil...n_28042014.pdf

In 2016, the total number of persons living in Sweden who either were born in Finland or who had a parent or grandparent who was born in Finland was estimated as 719,179 (https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artike...rtikel=6638007).

The total population of predominantly Eastern Finnish regions of Finland was listed as 1,024,854 by Wikipedia (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomen_maakunnat) (Keski-Suomi 275,364, Pohjois-Savo 244,707, Pohjois-Karjala 161,540, Etelä-Savo 142,770, Etelä-Karjala 128,054, Kainuu 72,419).

Eastern Finns and Western Finns have become so mixed that the number of pure Eastern Finns whose all grandparents are Eastern Finnish is possibly even smaller than the number of persons who live in Sweden with one or more Finnish grandparent.

This sucks. Over 30000 Finns escaped to Sweden after the Great Northern War and never came back. I am ashamed of the way how little Finns know their own history. How dare you?

Most of those Forest Finns were shipped to America, because Swedes wanted to kill them. They were outlaws, free to kill if met, among gypsies.

[Finnish Swede]

East Finnish sports superiority over West Finland

You learn something new every day

Hopefully not (like this).

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Harkonnen is just telling jokes here (his humor). If east Finns could really be better in something ... then wrestiling and weightlifting. No matter what, Ostrobothia will rule the first one.

Finnish baseball (annual East - West games)?
Winners?
Men: 38 - 36 (10 games have ended ''level'')
Women: 35 - 39 (3 games have ended ''level'')

Hardly in handball )

For Harkonnen & Lemminkäinen: I'm reading about Erik Heinrichs now (his biography). A great ''Finn''?