Illyrians are forefathers of I2 Slavs

[Mans not hot]

South Slavs are teh trooest Illyrians, Albanians are just long lost caucasus tribes, are you mad fam?

[Albobalboa]

South Slavs are teh trooest Illyrians, Albanians are just long lost caucasus tribes, are you mad fam?

We're albino Africans that got parachuted into the balkans somewhere in the middle ages.

[Dorian]

Albos only descend from native Illyrians by proxy,not because they are the same...they are some kind of paleobalkan group who made the previous Epirotes/GrecoRomanized Illyrians shqiptarophones.
It'd be the equivalent of turks deciding to create a native anatolian ideology.

[Albobalboa]

Albos only descend from native Illyrians by proxy,not because they are the same...they are some kind of paleobalkan group who made the previous Epirotes/GrecoRomanized Illyrians shqiptarophones.
It'd be the equivalent of turks deciding to create a native anatolian ideology.

Can't think of a more glorious mix.

Difference is Turks do not speak a language derived from some proto-Anatolian group. So it is not the same. It would be the same if Turks were the descendants of some old Anatolian tribes, speaking some old Anatolian mix language.

[Dorian]

Can't think of a more glorious mix.

Difference is Turks do not speak a language derived from some proto-Anatolian group. So it is not the same. It would be the same if Turks were the descendants of some old Anatolian tribes, speaking some old Anatolian mix language.

It's the same man cause turks brought the language(=dacian theory(?) in your case?) and have local admixture which means both Greek&previously HellenoByzantinized Anatolian to some extent(along with others).
Equating protoanatolian with protobalkan is weird(for both) when there's not much we can say about the "ethnicity" of these old balkan tribes.
They may be considered chameleons at most ,that's why no nation can claim others.If they had continued existing seperately ,they could have been evolved differently like "Celtic" "Germanic" etc which is what some will try to take advantage of.

Or another comparison would be If some kind of Vlachs(not counting Latinophone natives where the lines are blur) had created their own state somewhere in South Balkans.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

In Slavic languages yes. And then westerners heard the term Slavs, and started thinking about your one defining feature, turns out that was that you were people who were legal property of others, and forced to obey them. Thus the word slave derived from your ethnonym.

Imagine how fucking ridiculous that is. A fundamental word such as a slave, the literal bottom form of human existence, -one that is not only subdued to the max, but even lacks the dignity to resist- to be derived from an entire ethnicities' name. This is an insult that is too big to even fathom.

And you have the nerve to mention Illyrians, who although weren't the strongest of groups at the time were still a formiddable force that played a role in local politics. It wasn't until the Romans butchered the whole region that they were stopped, and even after that they became relevant in Rome. In my mind they are not even proto-Albanians and I think Albanians are some kind of unregistered group for the most part, that survived in the highlands. But your south slav theories are obnoxious.

Wtf did Slavs do besides procreate like rabbits. You are known in Europe as bottomfeeders even though you have pretty much the highest population group of the whole continent with by far the most natural resources. Even your migration to central Europe was as slaves of the Huns, jesus fucking christ.

all this text for me upvoting Aye's post ? Man...

Speaking about breeding like rabbits, my country had similar population like England in early medieval while today we are 4 million and they're 50 milion.
Your kin on the other hand is one that is demographically running over other countries like Macedonia and only one that's growing in Europe without imported immigrants.

You were very small group and you multiplied very decently man. Good for you and I'd like to be in your situation but don't be so fucking hypocritical.

Btw, stop bitching about Slavs in former Illyrian lands. We're here for good, get used to it.
It was us who destroyed Avars and took this land from them by Sword, something natives couldn't do.

[Coolguy1]

Albanians = 60% Balkan_Neolithic + 25% Yamnaya + 15% Slav

[Dick]

Albanians = 60% Balkan_Neolithic + 25% Yamnaya + 15% Slav

How so? All Europeans are a mixture of Early farmer+Paleo-European and Steppe in different percentages. meta ethnic labels is just politics.

[Coolguy1]

How so? All Europeans are a mixture of Early farmer+Paleo-European and Steppe in different percentages. meta ethnic labels is just politics.

All modeling of Albanians points to that direction. Obviously things will be different on an individual level.

[1] "distance%=0.2474"

Albanian_North (N=3)

Peloponnese_N,59
Yamnaya_Samara,21.4
CZE_Early_Slav,19.6

[Dick]

All modeling of Albanians points to that direction. Obviously things will be different on an individual level.

[1] "distance%=0.2474"

Albanian_North (N=3)

Peloponnese_N,59
Yamnaya_Samara,21.4
CZE_Early_Slav,19.6

You're mixing ancient with medieval samples. It isnt a good idea imo. A simplistic way is like this


"distance%=4.8781"



Barcin_N,48.2
Yamnaya_Samara,43.8
WHG,7.4
Han,0.6