'Pig' British tourists to be deported from New Zealand after theft, littering, not paying for food

[Grace O'Malley]

Not really, he’s “British” but pretty much always calls himself Irish and is referred to as the gypsy king. Even aamir khan waves the English flag more than Fury. British isn’t the same as English anyway; the family are factually Irish travellers not Anglo.

I was just highlighting a common phenomenon in the British media that if someone does well they are British but if not they are Irish, Scots, etc.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/f...over-1.3746835

I think people get a tad too upset about these things but it does hold a bit of truth. All these Irish Travellers were born in Britain so aren't they British? Not too fussed because a lot of Irish descended people in Britain are claimed by the British and I've no problem with it.

[Ayetooey]

I was just highlighting a common phenomenon in the British media that if someone does well they are British but if not they are Irish, Scots, etc.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/f...over-1.3746835

I think people get a tad too upset about these things but it does hold a bit of truth. All these Irish Travellers were born in Britain so aren't they British? Not too fussed because a lot of Irish descended people in Britain are claimed by the British and I've no problem with it.

British is a nationality not an ethnicity: these people have nothing to do with the English/Anglo Saxons. And no, birth place is irrelevant to ethnicity they are Irish, they identify as Irish, they will always be foreigners here. You don’t speak for me as I would never claim Tyson fury; he claims himself an Irish traveller and is very proud of it. He is a British national but he isn’t Anglo/ethnic English.

[lonewolfcypriot]

I did not understand a word that boy said. It was like he was speaking another language.

[Grace O'Malley]

British is a nationality not an ethnicity: these people have nothing to do with the English/Anglo Saxons. And no, birth place is irrelevant to ethnicity they are Irish, they identify as Irish, they will always be foreigners here. You don’t speak for me as I would never claim Tyson fury; he claims himself an Irish traveller and is very proud of it. He is a British national but he isn’t Anglo/ethnic English.

I've never met English people claiming they were "Anglo-Saxon" . There are a huge amount of Irish descended people in England that are called English. What makes an English person? You yourself aren't fully English so what do you call yourself? (Not trying to be controversial here but just a genuine interest in how you view yourself?)

Britain and Ireland are even keeping the Common Travel Area after Brexit and Irish people have the same rights as British people and vice versa. They are all from "the Isles" and very close genetically. English aren't just Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Saxon anyway aren't that distinctive from the Celtic Fringe so I think if you look at genetics there is a lot more closeness than people realise.

Just adding that all these populations have had shared history forever literally. To me English are not foreign as far as Europeans go. They are close neighbours and while the history between the two places has been unfortunate a lot of times no one can doubt that they are very close populations and have a lot of common interests in their part of the world.

[Ayetooey]

I've never met English people claiming they were "Anglo-Saxon" . There are a huge amount of Irish descended people in England that are called English. What makes an English person? You yourself aren't fully English so what do you call yourself? (Not trying to be controversial here but just a genuine interest in how you view yourself?)

Britain and Ireland are even keeping the Common Travel Area after Brexit and Irish people have the same rights as British people and vice versa. They are all from "the Isles" and very close genetically. English aren't just Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Saxon anyway aren't that distinctive from the Celtic Fringe so I think if you look at genetics there is a lot more closeness than people realise.

You're just being ignorant now, and ignoring my words plus my original post. The terms ENGLISH and BRITISH are not the same and do not refer to the same thing here in Britain; ENGLISH is a purely ethnic denominator referring to someone who is ancestrally English, BRITISH is a nationality one can gain through being born here, or immigrating here. The post lightshade made specifically referred to these Irish travellers as English; they are not English; they are British-Irish. Trust me, no minority born in Britain refers to them self as "English", that term is left for the ethnic natives. They'll refer to themselves as British-Pakistani, Black British, etc, never English.

England was founded by the Anglo-Saxons, English speak language descended from the Anglo Saxons, the majority of English people have Anglo-Saxon Y dnas of R1b-u106 or I1, and modern English plot extremely close to ancient Anglo Saxon samples posted. England is very Anglo Saxon; and not comparable to the Irish who have NOTHING to do with Celts.

[The Lawspeaker]

Just as a little side joke: you guys could have prevented that little English-British problem back in 1707 - simply by keeping the two crowns separate.

[Grace O'Malley]

You're just being ignorant now, and ignoring my words plus my original post. The terms ENGLISH and BRITISH are not the same and do not refer to the same thing here in Britain; ENGLISH is a purely ethnic denominator referring to someone who is ancestrally English, BRITISH is a nationality one can gain through being born here, or immigrating here. The post lightshade made specifically referred to these Irish travellers as English; they are not English; they are British-Irish. Trust me, no minority born in Britain refers to them self as "English", that term is left for the ethnic natives. They'll refer to themselves as British-Pakistani, Black British, etc, never English.

England was founded by the Anglo-Saxons, English speak language descended from the Anglo Saxons, the majority of English people have Anglo-Saxon Y dnas of R1b-u106 or I1, and modern English plot extremely close to ancient Anglo Saxon samples posted. England is very Anglo Saxon; and not comparable to the Irish who have NOTHING to do with Celts.

I'm not being ignorant. I plot very close to Anglo-Saxons so there is that. If you know about genetics you would know that being Celtic in the Insular Celtic sense means you are very close to other Northwestern Europeans. Insular Celts are not any different than other people genetically in that vicinity. Not sure why you are so upset? I can't understand why someone can't discuss things in a calm manner. Whether you like it or not English cluster with other people of these islands and I know that English is an ethnicity just like Irish but many English people aren't pure English and they definitely aren't Anglo-Saxon. Saying that though the Anglo-Saxons were not very different than the Britons genetically. All the populations that were in these islands previously were all very similar genetically.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't see his problem - here in the Netherlands - we know that there was also a Celtic history and that there is a lot more Celtic blood in people in the South and in Belgium. For absolutely 1000000% pure Germanics you might want to go to Norway. Not even to Iceland or the Faroe Islands - they had a lot of Irish women there. Let's be frank here: the English are Celto-Germanics. Probably a lot more Germanic than Celtic and the Irish aren't pure Celts either and have a lot of English and Norse blood as well. To speak of a real hard difference between Germanic peoples and Celtic peoples is pure folly: we've been rolling in the hay together for a full millennium if not more. Either voluntary or involuntary.

[Maintenance]

Haha its funny how easy it is to tell if its a traveler or not by accent and body language.

[Ayetooey]

I don't see his problem - here in the Netherlands - we know that there was also a Celtic history and that there is a lot more Celtic blood in people in the South and in Belgium. For absolutely 1000000% pure Germanics you might want to go to Norway. Not even to Iceland or the Faroe Islands - they had a lot of Irish women there. Let's be frank here: the English are Celto-Germanics.

English people have almost no proto celtic (hallstatt) blood, only bellbeaker "celtic" blood; continential Germanics will have a shed ton more real celtic blood than English. Every Germanic group has "celtic" admixture anyway, no one is "pure Germanic" so if England is celto-germanic, so is every other Germanic nation; but it's irrelevant as the identity of England is of a Germanic nation, as is the language, the history etc.