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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Islam is foreign to Europe and so foreign to the Balkans. We don't need Islamic states in Europe. European states are secular.

    People should just convert back to Christianity. Islam just divides the Balkans uselessly.
    Can you explain to me while states are secular, how a continent can be Christian? You contradict yourself. On the other hand, no one defends the idea states should be ruled with Islam, they must be secular of course.

    Islam is native to the Balkans. Ottoman Empire was part of European Civilization. Today's Muslim Balkanite's are past's Bogomil's. They have never been true Christian. One doesn't have the right to questioning other's religion even if s/he worships to the dick.

    The diversity of Balkans not only about religion. But if we gonna make comment on religion perspective, Muslims have the right to live there as much as Christians because both populations are native to there. They haven't migrated from Middle-East, unlike Western European Muslims. If you're going to try to convert them to Christianism, then they will have the right to do the same thing either by peace or blood.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Germanin View Post
    So Islam will just disappear in Balkans soon 150 years ago every 3. balkanite was muslim, today circa every 13. people is muslim, and 90% of these muslims are cultural muslims not religious.
    It is not about Islam, religions will disappear in world soon. The reason why the amount of Balkan Muslims reduced is they migrated to Turkey. And half of Turkey is "very religious".
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Can you explain to me while states are secular, how a continent can be Christian? You contradict yourself. On the other hand, no one defends the idea states should be ruled with Islam, they must be secular of course.

    Islam is native to the Balkans. Ottoman Empire was part of European Civilization. Today's Muslim Balkanite's are past's Bogomil's. They have never been true Christian. One doesn't have the right to questioning other's religion even if s/he worships to the dick.

    The diversity of Balkans not only about religion. But if we gonna make comment on religion perspective, Muslims have the right to live there as much as Christians because both populations are native to there. They haven't migrated from Middle-East, unlike Western European Muslims. If you're going to try to convert them to Christianism, then they will have the right to do the same thing either by peace or blood.
    Bogomilism was never widespread in Bosnia apart of elite, it was majority Catholic with small orthodox minority in the east.

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    When Ottomans conquered Bosnia they destroyed 464 Catholic churches and 48 francisian monestaries. No religion brought by occupier sword can be called ''native''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    Bogomilism was never widespread in Bosnia apart of elite, it was majority Catholic with small orthodox minority in the east.
    This doesn't change anything, apparently, they have different cultures or willings than their brothers so they made different choices. Bogomilism is the main key to this change in the Balkans.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    This doesn't change anything, apparently, they have different cultures or willings than their brothers so they made different choices. Bogomilism is the main key to this change in the Balkans.
    Yea I know. It triggered Catholic crusade in Bosnia that made many nobles turn to Islam instead. Man whos nick I have himself helped Ottomans take Bosnia, be it intentionally or not.

    Together with Tvrtko II he formed a movement against Hungary and Sigismund of Luxembourg. After Sigismund's military intervention in 1408 and the massacre of the Bosnian army, he allied himself with Sigismund. However, Hungary's victory in Bosnia and the retaking of the throne by King Ostoja weakened him severely. He soon lost control over the islands he had been given, as well as Split. At this point he sought help from the Ottoman Empire. The Hungarian army was defeated at Lašva in 1415, but this would open the door to Ottoman expansion into Bosnia.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrvoje...Hrvatini%C4%87

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    Why do you thumb me down, subhuman piece of shit ? Facts hurt Turk ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    When Ottomans conquered Bosnia they destroyed 464 Catholic churches and 48 francisian monestaries. No religion brought by occupier sword can be called ''native''.
    All lies.

    Catholics were never widespread in Bosnia

    Orthodox Churches were converted to mosques by Bosnian orthodox converts

    Pope forced King to convert to Catholicism, Population never followed him... they ridiculed him instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    All lies.

    Catholics were never widespread in Bosnia

    Orthodox Churches were converted to mosques by Bosnian orthodox converts
    There are no orthodox churches older than Ottoman era in Bosnia imbecile, apart for few. And Bosnian Francisians were only one who preserved memory of Bosnian Kingdom.
    Last Bosnian Queen died in Rome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    When Ottomans conquered Bosnia they destroyed 464 Catholic churches and 48 francisian monestaries. No religion brought by occupier sword can be called ''native''.
    So how your ancestors became Christian while they are a Pagan? I'm sure they really liked that religion and wanted to become Christian without any questioning. How romantic. What did your ancestors feel when Illyria occupied by Romans? Or Slav tribes tortured by Romans? I'm sure they embraced with their conquerors. Because if they hadn't, Christianism couldn't be native to the Balkans because religion by occupier sword can't be called "native".

    If it is not native to the Balkans, how I'm both Muslim and carrying Balkan DNA?
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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