Islam on Balkans

[Bosniensis]

Muslims never were majority population in Balkans.
They were minority in Serbia, as well in Bosnia, until census 1971. when their number surpasses number of Orthodox Serbs in Bosnia.

As for Greek-Turkey population exchange, 355.000 Muslims moved from Greece to Turkey.
It is significant lower than number of Greeks that were expelled from Smyrna and surrounding greek regions.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popula...ece_and_Turkey

not 355.000 ... 1000 max.

But in Jasenovac 10 mil Serbs died.

Serbian math was never good.

[ixulescu]

Can you explain to me while states are secular, how a continent can be Christian? You contradict yourself. On the other hand, no one defends the idea states should be ruled with Islam, they must be secular of course.

In Europe the population is Christian, the states are secular. This is because Christianity asks for a division of the state and church.
In Europe it was the states that wanted to dominate/assimilate the Church (not so much now), in Islam it is the religion that asks for the Caliphate (the Islamized state). Islam and Christianity are diametrically opposed, that's why they cannot coexist in the same state. However, Christianity can coexist with religions that do no want to overcome the state.

Islam is native to the Balkans. Ottoman Empire was part of European Civilization. Today's Muslim Balkanite's are past's Bogomil's. They have never been true Christian. One doesn't have the right to questioning other's religion even if s/he worships to the dick.

Islam is not native here because it was imposed by force and the Ottoman empire was a steamy pile of shit. European my ass.

[Bosniensis]

In Europe the population is Christian, the states are secular. This is because Christianity asks for a division of the state and church.
In Europe it was the states that wanted to dominate/assimilate the Church (not so much now), in Islam it is the religion that asks for the Caliphate (the Islamized state). Islam and Christianity are diametrically opposed, that's why they cannot coexist in the same state. However, Christianity can coexist with religions that do no want to overcome the state.



Islam is not native here because it was imposed by force and the Ottoman empire was a steamy pile of shit. European my ass.

Justinian butchered half of Balkans to impose Christianity?

He castrated people who refused Christianity.

Who do you think you are talking to?

Do you think people forgot how Christianity came to Balkans?

With Ruthless brute force.

[Dušan]

not 355.000 ... 1000 max.

But in Jasenovac 10 mil Serbs died.

Serbian math was never good.

Why are you thumbing me down, idiot?

The source is english wikipedia.

You want turkish wikipedia?

Mübadele ile 1.200.000 Ortodoks Hristiyan Rum Anadolu'dan Yunanistan'a, 500.000 Müslüman Türk de Yunanistan'dan Türkiye'ye göç etmek zorunda kalmıştır.

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%B...%C3%BCbadelesi

500.000 is still much lower than 1.200.000.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No point to discuss with Shitniensis, he is biggest shame of TA South Slav members.

[Blondie]

You remind me of the Turks. They are also thinking they became Muslim by peace, Arabs just offered them to become Muslim and they accepted gently. They also have various sources for this.

All of my known ancestors lived in the Balkans. They fought in the Balkan Wars. They died in Balkans. They created cities in the Balkans. They were Muslims. I'm Balkan-born and i'm Muslim. Can you explain how a person who all of his ancestors comes from the same region for centuries and they all have the same religion with that person, can be native to these lands but his religion can't? Isn't it utter nonsense?

And there are many european people who are/were buddhist for several generations, but it doesn't mean Buddhism is native in Europe. Islam have nothing to do with european civilization, european values, culture, that's totally foreign here. You can be native in Balkans but not your religion.

Ottoman Empire won the right to enter the European Council.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1856)

On the other hand, "The sick, old man of Europe", not Middle-East. The main driving force of the Ottoman Empire were Balkans, not Anatolia.

The Ottoman Empire isn't european neither Turkey (only 3% in East Thracia), but i can accept a turkish people as european if he/she looks european and he/she accept our culture, values, lifestyle so if his/her culture isn't muslim. Islam was always enemy of european civilization remember for ottomans, moors, muslim mongols etc.

[Bosniensis]

Why are you thumbing me down, idiot?

The source is english wikipedia.

You want turkish wikipedia?



https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%B...%C3%BCbadelesi

500.000 is still much lower than 1.200.000.

those are invented numbers and they are much larger.

[Bosniensis]

No point to discuss with Shitniensis, he is biggest shame of TA South Slav members.

2 mil Bosniaks thinks similarly like I do... so don't call my name. I don't give a fuck about Croats are what you think about us.

[itilvolga]

And there are many european people who are/were buddhist for several generations, but it doesn't mean Buddhism is native in Europe. Islam have nothing to do with european civilization, european values, culture, that's totally foreign here. You can be native in Balkans but not your religion.




The Ottoman Empire isn't european neither Turkey (only 3% in East Thracia), but i can accept a turkish people as european if he/she looks european and he/she accept our culture, values, lifestyle so if his/her culture isn't muslim. Islam was always enemy of european civilization remember for ottomans, moors, muslim mongols etc.

You need to understand that only people can be native in a geography; not religions. Religion is a choice while genetics is not. Muslim Balkanites are native as much as Christian Balkanites, that's for sure. Religions and ideologies are both choices and that's the same bullshit when you say "nationalist Balkanites are native but communist Balkanites are not" to me. Don't tell me religions affect culture, ideologies do the same, a commie and a conservative can't have same values even if they are siblings (so from the same culture).

[ixulescu]

Justinian butchered half of Balkans to impose Christianity?

He castrated people who refused Christianity.

Who do you think you are talking to?

Do you think people forgot how Christianity came to Balkans?

With Ruthless brute force.

By that time, Justinian time most of the Balkans was Christian already, and people converted voluntarily. Only the newcomers were not Christian.
Roman empire had at least 100 years of persecution against Christians, some centuries prior.

And again, you're confusing what states are doing with what the Church is doing. It wasn't the Church asking for the persecution of non-Christians, it was the state that found Christianity politically useful.
In Islam these things are in reverse. It is the muslims asking for the persecution of non-believers.

You have to be stupid to think that these situations are even remotely similar.