Shouldnt nationalists like the communist east?

[Mortimer]

I dont mean marxist theory or cultural marxism but how it was in practice in the Soviet Union and how it was and still is in Far East like China or North Korea. I think they didnt had mass immigration. Well Russia always had more then only Whites, but also under the Tzar, but those are traditional minorities from the russian empire like central asians etc. but they didnt had mass migration from other parts of the world which are newcomers. They also didnt had homosexuality or transgenders. And their understanding of women rights or feminism was "chivalry" to this day in Russia from communist times the 8.march international womens day is celebrated but men gift flowers to females and such it is "chivalrous" not the feminazi type of the west. China and North Korea are pretty much nationalist and xenophobic to outsiders. Also they put high value on work and progress. So was the Soviet Union.

[FountainOfSalmacis]

The essence of nationalism is not genociding your own people for a foreign idelogy, so no.

[Mortimer]

The essence of nationalism is not genociding your own people for a foreign idelogy, so no.

I dont think that happened. And why foreign ideology everyone can adapt communism. It is not more foreign or not foreign. I think communism means workers rights, and that people own the means of production. Thats the most basic communist belief. It is not contradictory to nationalism in its essence though. Well they also believe in international solidarity and such. But that doesnt imply neccessarily that you let in millions of immigrants. They didnt actually.

[Bosniensis]

Communism and Nationalism are unrelated.

Communists are religious fanatics (Communist manifesto is their religion) who butcher their own people for not adhering to teachings of Marx and other communist fools.

[FountainOfSalmacis]

I dont think that happened. And why foreign ideology everyone can adapt communism. It is not more foreign or not foreign. I think communism means workers rights, and that people own the means of production. Thats the most basic communist belief. It is not contradictory to nationalism in its essence though. Well they also believe in international solidarity and such. But that doesnt imply neccessarily that you let in millions of immigrants. They didnt actually.

The whole point of communism was a worldwide revolution, that essentialy forced everyone to be equal and destroy all concepts of ethnic groups, religions and classes (these things are primordial in the nation). Only after they were defeated in Poland they realized that they couldn’t achieve this. They murdered pretty much all of the inteligentsia and genocided ethnic groups that could rebel and had nationalistic sensibilities (ukraine,khazakstan,etc). The kulak class was esentially obliterated and the collectivization of grain caused man made famines such as the Holodomor and the Kazakh one (also on pretty much all the Russian soil)

[Mortimer]

The whole point of communism was a worldwide revolution, that essentialy forced everyone to be equal and destroy all concepts of ethnic groups, religions and classes (these things are primordial in the nation). Only after they were defeated in Poland they realized that they couldn’t achieve this. They murdered pretty much all of the inteligentsia and genocided ethnic groups that could rebel and had nationalistic sensibilities (ukraine,khazakstan,etc). The kulak class was esentially obliterated and the collectivization of grain caused man made famines such as the Holodomor and the Kazakh one (also on pretty much all the Russian soil)

You might be right. But eastern communists were not solely marxist only. They were often also nationalist or a mix. Maybe at least civic nationalist or patriotic. Just think of the military parades and leader worship. They did wanted to do away with classes and religions and ethnicities in theory but in reality some high ranking communist figures were nationalist I think Stalin was also a bit nationalist. It is a mix just like Chinas economy isnt pure socialism.

[FountainOfSalmacis]

You might be right. But eastern communists were not solely marxist only. They were often also nationalist or a mix. Maybe at least civic nationalist or patriotic. Just think of the military parades and leader worship. They did wanted to do away with classes and religions and ethnicities in theory but in reality some high ranking communist figures were nationalist I think Stalin was also a bit nationalist. It is a mix just like Chinas economy isnt pure socialism.

Well, during WW2 he had to exacerbate patriotism to repel the invasion, but he wasn’t a nationalist, he pursued wars not in the defense of the nation (half a million dead in Finland) and all of the invasions and deportations of the Baltics were absolutely tyrannical. You cannot mix nationalism and stalinism together, cause the second didn’t care about the well being of his own nation (cause Stalin was a Georgian who had spoke and had jewish wives) and followed an ideology that was a Jewish invention and was partly funded by Rothschild money (see how Trostsky arrived in Russia)

[Mortimer]

Well, during WW2 he had to exacerbate patriotism to repel the invasion, but he wasn’t a nationalist, he pursued wars not in the defense of the nation (half a million dead in Finland) and all of the invasions and deportations of the Baltics were absolutely tyrannical. You cannot mix nationalism and stalinism together, cause the second didn’t care about the well being of his own nation (cause Stalin was a Georgian who had spoke and had jewish wives) and followed an ideology that was a Jewish invention and was partly funded by Rothschild money (see how Trostsky arrived in Russia)

Do you know that Hitler was funded by the Rothshilds? So whats the difference? Hitler also technically killed millions of germans, and White slavs like poles.

[FountainOfSalmacis]

Do you know that Hitler was funded by the Rothshilds? So whats the difference? Hitler also technically killed millions of germans, and White slavs like poles.

I haven’t researched that theory yet, so I cannot unprove it. But in my traditional understanding they’re different.

[pulstar]

Communists are actually internationalists, so the opposite of nationalism.