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    Here's one of the big reasons white women in the U.S. are not having kids: There's a shortage of college-educated men.

    Women who are themselves college-educated seem averse to marrying "down", or forming serious relationships with these potential male candidates.

    There is now a higher percent of women with college degrees than men, and it also takes younger adult men longer to obtain a college degree, on average. (This discrepancy between genders is even greater for African Americans)

    Among whites in the U.S., 56 percent of 4-year degrees are earned by women, and 60 percent of Associate's degrees.
    https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72



    By the time they were 23 years old, 23 percent of women had earned a 4-year degree, versus 14 percent of men.
    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/arc...h_02092011.pdf

    So instead these "surplus" college educated women end up not having kids.

    There's also some anecdotal evidence to suggest that college-educated women who marry a man with lower educational qualifications and choose to start a family are much more likely to only have 1 child.

    https://ifstudies.org/blog/better-ed...rning-husbands
    https://www.economist.com/news/inter...t-appears-rise

    While a college educated man is much more likely to marry to a college educated woman than a non-college educated man, there are still plenty of college educated men who start families with non-college educated women. So it's not as if there's "enough" non-college educated women to go around for all the men without a college degree.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/ar...e-time/274654/

    Of women with a 4-year degree now married, 59 percent are married to a man with a 4-year degree or more. About 25 percent of college-educated women are not married.

    Compared to males who did not complete high school, men with at least a bachelor's degree are about 11 percent more likely to have married by the age of 46, while for females it's only 4 percent greater.
    https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/ar...tainment-5.htm

    This percentage doesn't tell the whole story because the marriages of more educated men last longer than those of men without a 4-year degree.

    Among women in the U.S. between the ages of 40 to 44, 20 percent have never had a child, and this percentage rises to 27 percent for women of this age group with graduate or professional degrees.
    https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ewer-children/

    College educated women are likelier to have fewer children than women without college education:

    By the time women reach the 40-44 age group, those who didnt finish high school averaged 2.56 births per 1,000 women, the highest fertility. Women who finished high school or had any college experience had the next highest fertility, 1.88 and 1.91, respectively. Women who finished college had the lowest fertility 1.75 births among those with a bachelors degree and an even-lower 1.67 for those with graduate degrees,​
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-childbearing/

    Interestingly, however, women with higher levels of education than a 4-year degree are no longer having fewer children than those with only a 4-year degree, which is a change from what the statistics were 25 years ago.
    https://voxeu.org/article/highly-edu...ave-fewer-kids

    It's still overall true to say that college educated women have fewer children than those without college.

    All this, of course, has big demographic implications.

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    If you look at fertility rates, there's a clear connection. Higher cost of living areas that have higher population densities, higher housing costs, and more employment available for women have lower fertility rates than areas with lower costs of housing, and which either have good paying job opportunities for the man or limited job opportunities available for women.

    That is, if you want women to have children, there first has to be enough space (not too much overcrowding), having a family has to be affordable, and it has to not be too much in a woman's interest to have a job.

    In many city areas there are lots of job opportunities for women, but the housing costs are also very high, so as a result it's in the woman's best interest to work full time and not have a family. In the country, costs of living are low but also there's fewer job opportunities. That's part of the reason the pace of life is slower and people do a lot more things for themselves, to be self-sufficient, they have more time.

    But I think it's more than just economic factors, there really is a psychological aspect. Women want a man who earns more than they do, and so a "career woman" is less likely to get married in the first place or form serious relationships in which they would consider having children. Especially when there isn't a man there who will be providing for those children. (Also makes less sense to take a temporary break off from working to have a child when you're the higher income earner in the relationship)

    As for racial factors, I've also heard it said that many white women (the attractive ones at least) have higher expectations from the man about how much he can financially provide. (This is one of the reasons cited by many lower income white men who choose to be with a woman from a different race)

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    It made perfect sense when American women reacted to the recession of 2007-09 by having fewer babies. But were nine years into the second-longest expansion on record, unemployment is well below average, and yet the birthrate hasnt rebounded. The number of births in the U.S. fell in 2017 to its lowest in 30 years. Whats going on?

    One possible explanation is that the economys good health masks continued hard times for men and women in their 20s and early 30s, who are responsible for most baby-making. "This young generation, millennials, I think they still feel pretty uncertain, as if they cant afford to make this big long-term commitment" to raising a family, says Karen Guzzo, a sociologist at Bowling Green State University. "They have these standards: 'I want to live in a good neighborhood. I want to have a house. I want to be able to have good child care and take time off from working.' "

    The 3.9 percent unemployment rate in April seems to indicate that jobs shouldnt be a problem for people considering parenthood. But the share of twentysomething men who are employed still hasnt fully recovered from the blow of the recession. As of April it was down 2.4 percentage points for men age 20-24 (to 68.4 percent) and 2.2 percentage points for men age 25-29 (to 83.7 percent) compared with the last business cycle peak, December 2007, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Some of those young men who arent employed are in school; some would take a job but aren't actively searching. In any case, the drop in the employment-to-population ratio is an important number because "in the fertility literature, the number 1 determinant is the husbands employment status," says Steven Lugauer, an economist in the University of Kentuckys Gatton College of Business and Economics.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rting-a-family

    So it looks like women are looking for a husband who can provide for her while she stays home and has children.

    That can be a tall order these days, with so many households needing two income earners to stay afloat.



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    Let me get this straight: the best solution would be to deny (most) women the right to enroll in tertiary education and to remove them (particularly married women) from the labour market ? O.K. we're going to need some real wage raises here so men can make a living wage. The business sector is not going to like this though.


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    It's because there's a lack in old fashioned, traditional values, pretty simple. For every White couple who keep off having kids until their late 30's, or never, there's a Magrebi or Somali family who'll be married by the time they're in their early-mid 20's, and have 3-4 kids by the time they're 30. Liberal values are weak and will kill Europe.
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    This is very untrue women do more useless degree like gender study men dominate stem and stil earn more than women in usa and instead of doing useless degrees like gender study men take career path

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Liberal values are weak and will kill Europe.
    May be true, but economic factors should not be ignored.

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    There is big gap between men and women who in stem subject course which pay most men dominate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Let me get this straight: the best solution would be to deny (most) women the right to enroll in tertiary education and to remove them (particularly married women) from the labour market ? O.K. we're going to need some real wage raises here so men can make a living wage. The business sector is not going to like this though.
    Severe, but effective. I (and my father) was able to embody this within my own family - my wife should not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    It's because there's a lack in old fashioned, traditional values, pretty simple. For every White couple who keep off having kids until their late 30's, or never, there's a Magrebi or Somali family who'll be married by the time they're in their early-mid 20's, and have 3-4 kids by the time they're 30. Liberal values are weak and will kill Europe.
    This is best explanation same problem In Japan south korea and singapore low birth rate

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