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    Do European monarchies still have any purpose?

    , by Eurosorbonne, Morgane Labbé, Translated by Patrick Michnowicz
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    Even if the European Union is based on unity, the political structures that it is made out of come in all sizes and shapes. Republics are dominating the European political scene, but seven out of its twenty-eight Member States are monarchies. This minority is intriguing: what kind of legitimacy do monarchies have inside the Union?

    Currently, there are eleven monarchies in Europe and seven of them are part of the European Union: Belgium, Denmark, Spain, the United Kingdom, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Sweden. They are an exception in the European stage, but must nonetheless enforce all the democratic principles of the EU, as well as all the values and standards shared by its members.


    Democratic monarchies that have built the European Union
    The Member States that are governed by monarchies actually grant a very symbolic role to their monarchs. For instance, in the United Kingdom (that will remain a member of the EU until spring 2019) Queen Elizabeth II meets Prime Minister Theresa May every week in order to discuss internal political matters. And the Belgian king, Philippe, has more power than the British queen: he is in charge of forming the government in his country, but this duty is carried out under parliamentarian control.

    Monarchs have limited power, clearly indicating that impediments have been created in the political systems of the European kingdoms. The political regime of these kingdoms must indeed be constitutional and parliamentarian, in accordance with the democratic principles of a State of Law, the separation of powers and the respect of Human Rights and minorities, all of which are criteria required for every state that wishes to become a member of the EU.

    All political power is usually enforced by a Prime Minister who is appointed by the King or the Queen. But this restriction of power does not change the fact that monarchy is deeply anchored in these societies since the public opinion is still in favour of such systems. The image of the monarch is intrinsically linked to the idea of national unity, namely during economic, military or terrorist crises.

    Besides being a minority in the EU, the European monarchies have also played a major role in the process of European integration. It is true that at the dawn of the European construction, during the signing of the Treaty of Brussels in 1948 that led to the creation of the Western Union (the soon-to-be Western European Union), only France was a republic in this first organisation that also gathered the United Kingdom and the Benelux countries.


    European monarchies under fire
    In November, Flanders, the northern half of Belgium, showed once again its discontent towards its monarch. To the question “Should monarchy keep its current form?”, 59% of Flemings answered that the function of the Belgian monarchy should be changed (meaning that it should take on a more ceremonial role). This study, led by the Belgian Institute of survey of social and political opinion and the Centre of sociological survey, shows that this region is not particularly fond of the monarchy.

    Another factor that could explain this disaffection towards the crown is television. The month following the publication of the study, the television channel VTM (Vlaamse Televisie Maatschappij, or “Flemish Television Company”) announced the end of the series “Royalty” (one of VTM’s main series that told the story of a royal family). The reason for this is that younger viewers seem to be less interested in the monarchy. This channel came to the same conclusion: Flemings are turning their back on the monarchy.

    To the question “Do we still need a monarch in Belgium?” 38% of them answered “no” in a region where only 28% of the population still trust their King. About a quarter of Flemings think that there should be no more monarchy in Belgium. The grand total amounts to more than 60% of Flemings who wish to have a more ceremonial monarchy or to establish a republic.

    Nonetheless, if the King is linked to unity in Belgium, the fact that the King’s functions are being questioned indirectly compromises Belgian unity. This is further emphasized by the region of Wallonia, where 56,6% of inhabitants think that the King is “a safeguard against separatism”.


    Monarchies: symbol of unity or national scission?

    This year, the referendum on independence on 1 October plunged not only Catalonia, but also Madrid and the European Union, into a crisis of the monarchical model. This Catalan surge of freedom is indeed a direct insult to the unity of the Spanish crown, worn by King Felipe VI.

    This referendum, unlawful in the eyes of the Constitution and the crown, was harshly criticised by the King during his speech, broadcasted on television on 3 October. According to the historian Benoît Pellistrandi (the author of “Histoire d’Espagne”, History of Spain), the King “knows that the only purpose of the Spanish monarchy is to ensure a good functioning of the Constitution”. When he says that Carles Puigdemont is an “outlaw”, the young King Felipe VI actually follows the example his father set in 1981 when a military putsch was threatening the democratic stability of the young Spanish republic.

    The Catalan case is a very worrying one for the European Union. Letting Catalonia get its independence could inspire regions like Lombardy or Flanders to follow the Catalan example. This would lead to the implosion of the EU and create a new problem: thorny questions about the joining of these new countries to the EU.



    This article was first published in French in Eurosorbonne.



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    I remember one movie scene where american soldier from independence war says: "After the War, Land owners shall become a new aristocracy"

    So basically capitalism and money replaced traditional values where royal families had privileges over land etc.. and they basically ceased to exist.

    Modern European royal families are nothing but decoration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I remember one movie scene where american soldier from independence war says: "After the War, Land owners shall become a new aristocracy"

    So basically capitalism and money replaced traditional values where royal families had privileges over land etc.. and they basically ceased to exist.

    Modern European royal families are nothing but decoration.
    That would have been The Patriot. I believe it was the History Buff who destroyed this film (including this very scene) for its gross historical inaccuracy. As for the monarchy: I agree with your assessment that they have become nothing but decoration and I think we might just as well save ourselves the money and become a republic. As for the head of state ? Ach... leave that the minister-president (prime minister) or to the minister of foreign affairs who can fulfil such roles as well. As for the royal palaces ? The state still has to maintain them so let's turn them into museums which can be visited after paying the entry fee (now they most of them can't be visited at all). The non-historical properties can be sold to the highest bidder.

    The term "paleis" (palace) should be phased out and the properties can be just be called 'huis" ("Huis Noordeinde" (Noordeinde House) instead of Paleis Noordeinde (Noordeinde Palace)) as a final sign that the monarchy is history.



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    Well, this should hardly come as a surprise but I dislike the EU even more.

    Monarchs have limited power, clearly indicating that impediments have been created in the political systems of the European kingdoms. The political regime of these kingdoms must indeed be constitutional and parliamentarian, in accordance with the democratic principles of a State of Law, the separation of powers and the respect of Human Rights and minorities, all of which are criteria required for every state that wishes to become a member of the EU.
    With this in stead, it's a small wonder monarchs seem so ineffective. You can't act as paternalistic or protective of your subjects if by doing so would mean taking on a suprastate whose authority trumps that of your crown. I don't believe in anything close to a divine right to rule though it's become clear to me that blue blood's not all that's needed for a person with enough money to think they can get away with with fiddling with nations how they see fit. America should - both in her young age and her quickly warping face - stand as an example as to why people should just be left with a throne and altar, if only to keep things simple. Oh sure, there were people going to their parrishes from all kinds of denominations but the true religions here by the 1930's were behavioral psychology and mass media. There's a reason movie stars here feel like they can sway public opinion to vote how they'd like with such blatant arrogance, they feel like a priest class now. I know this is heresy since we're supposed to tell you all how great we have it due to our constitutionals amendtments(while some stand) and shit but, this has been the result. Politicians are often just narcissists that were both too ugly and untalented for showbiz so they'll settle for being televised as they feign outrage when their poilitical "opponent" says something. People are generally arbitrary and not smart enough without absolutes and I don't trust them. Doesn't help that many of these royal houses are compromised in many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    As for the monarchy: I agree with your assessment that they have become nothing but decoration and I think we might just as well save ourselves the money and become a republic. As for the head of state ? Ach... leave that the minister-president (prime minister) or to the minister of foreign affairs who can fulfil such roles as well. As for the royal palaces ? The state still has to maintain them so let's turn them into museums which can be visited after paying the entry fee (now they most of them can't be visited at all). The non-historical properties can be sold to the highest bidder.

    I agree. Ruling families that pass down their power through the bloodline, irrespective of merit or competence. I do not see either the purpose or justification for monarchies. I am actively repulsed by them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post

    The Catalan case is a very worrying one for the European Union. Letting Catalonia get its independence could inspire regions like Lombardy or Flanders to follow the Catalan example. This would lead to the implosion of the EU and create a new problem: thorny questions about the joining of these new countries to the EU.
    This is very unlikely. I don't know how the situation in Flanders is but in Lombardy there is not even a sign of secessionism.

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    The main purpose of a monarchy at the present in Europe should be to symbolically assure national identity, unity and integrity. It is not asking that much since monarchs nowadays have limited influence and merely a ceremonial role. If they are going to be marrying foreigners or "commoners" then I would say that the institution is obsolete and serves no purpose anymore.
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