Basic Theory For The Formation Of Proto-Slavs

[MagnusDark]

Serious discussion. No trolling



It hasn’t been the first time something like this was theorized. My feeling is M458 was likely Lusatian originally. Possibly related to Proto-Balto-Slavic and becoming extinct sometime in the Iron Age like many other indo Europeans languages that didn’t survive. M458 has numerous clades that went near extinct in the Iron Age before having demographic booms with the later Proto-Slavic/Slavic migrations.

Milograd/Chernoles have some of the strongest connections to Balto-Slavs and a clear North-East and East spread. Z280 more than any has many clades unifying both Balts and Slavs. There is a clear East to West Cline tapering off further west. I2a1b May have been overtaken at some point by the spread of Z280.

M458 on the other hand has a strong central east European presence with a West to East cline, tapering off further east, including high diversity in East Germany and Poland, and South-West Belarus if I am not mistaken.

The Trzciniec culture is considered to be an Eastern offshoot of Corded Ware and a Balto-Slavic peoples. Eastern Trzciniec roughly corresponds to both Milograd and Chernoles Cultures. The western portion being in the contact zone of Lusatian Culture.

Is it out of the realm of possibility that with the collapse of Lusatian, Western Trzciniec having Lusatian admixture spread M458 eastward, and that the convergence of M458/Z280/I2a1b around the Proto-Slavic Urheimat is what eventually would form Proto-Slavs and spread during the great migration?

Or, similarly, the contact zones between these cultures could have mingled the 3 into what would become Proto-Slavs while the Proto tribes proper fell by the wayside.

Eventually with the development of Church Slavonic spreading through the Slavic tribal regions causing the dissemination/extinction of various Proto Slavic dialects into Common Slavic and the various Slavic languages today?

[PostOak1]

I hope this becomes an interesting discussion. I need to take a more in depth Y chromosome test to figure out when my L1029 line was “Germanized”.


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[MagnusDark]

I hope this becomes an interesting discussion. I need to take a more in depth Y chromosome test to figure out when my L1029 line was “Germanized”.


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I am sorry. I didn't see you responded.

You should. They're getting cheaper little by little. If money is an issue, you can always test at FTDNA/YSEQ and under R1a admins guide test the predicted SNPs. What platform did you test with?

I did Full Genomes for the Y. It was 700 at the time but they offered payment plans over the course of 6 months.

Yelite 2.1 may be even cheaper now. But, if you're going to spend the money on BigY, do it on FTDNA. This will be more user friendly with connecting matches. They are also doing their own kind of Ytree like Yfull as well.

It may be like 700 dollars or something. A large amount of L1029 are Germanized Proto-Slavs from the middle ages. Unless you have recent historical Slavic ancestry, its likely Wends that were Germanized in the 5th-6th century. Pending any ancient DNA of course.

[PostOak1]

I am sorry. I didn't see you responded.

You should. They're getting cheaper little by little. If money is an issue, you can always test at FTDNA/YSEQ and under R1a admins guide test the predicted SNPs. What platform did you test with?

I did Full Genomes for the Y. It was 700 at the time but they offered payment plans over the course of 6 months.

Yelite 2.1 may be even cheaper now. But, if you're going to spend the money on BigY, do it on FTDNA. This will be more user friendly with connecting matches. They are also doing their own kind of Ytree like Yfull as well.

It may be like 700 dollars or something. A large amount of L1029 are Germanized Proto-Slavs from the middle ages. Unless you have recent historical Slavic ancestry, its likely Wends that were Germanized in the 5th-6th century. Pending any ancient DNA of course.

I tested my y chromosome with Nat Geo 2.0 and transferred to FTDNA.


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[PostOak1]

A large amount of L1029 are Germanized Proto-Slavs from the middle ages. Unless you have recent historical Slavic ancestry, its likely Wends that were Germanized in the 5th-6th century. Pending any ancient DNA of course.

My surname is Beam/Boehm/Böhme and my people came from the Saxon Bohemian border area.



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[MagnusDark]

My surname is Beam/Boehm/Böhme and my people came from the Saxon Bohemian border area.



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You should do y37 at FTDNA. It is the cheaper of the tests. There are alot of German L1029 in the R1a project. I reckon you could match some, and likely know your most probable clade without bigy. Although, I do recommend bigY in the long run so you can upload to yfull.

Alternatively(more theoretical but usually right 9 times out of 10, you can test with ancestryDNA and upload your kit to morely ydna predictor. It should potentially predict a further downstream assignment of L1029. However if you have an unknown founder clade, it could come upto only L1029, or predict a clade downstream near your founder clade but that you're actually negative for(this happened with me).

[Izmir]

Your clade is slavic, I couldve told you this for free.
JFL how you desperately spent almost a grand on genetic tests to prove its not slavic but keep coming up with fantasy maps and theories to cope, they amuse me