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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Same here, since Raška was part of Bosnian Eyalet for many years they were naturally assimilated into Bosniaks, Gorani as well. You must understand
    the fact that all Ex-Yu people of Islamic faith are Bosniaks, just like Patriarch Pavle proclaimed that "Serbs are all Orthodox people of Ex Yu"

    Our nation is both religiously and ottoman culture connected, and all Sanjak, Gorani are part of that community, they shouldn't go back to some past that
    doesn't exist any more.

    There are NO Muslim Serbs or Muslim Vlachs that identity is DEAD now they are all Bosniaks.

    We have 5 mil Bosniaks in Turkey, 2,5 mil on Balkans.
    Bosnian Eyalet was not independent state, but part of Ottoman empire. In the time of Ottoman empire there was no Bosniak identity. Gorani were not even part Bosnian Eyalet.
    Timok Vlachs were integrated in Serbian society in 19th century when Serbia first had broad authonomy and then became independent.

    Bosniaks are artificial nation, unlike Serbs. Deal with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Bosnian Eyalet was not independent state, but part of Ottoman empire. In the time of Ottoman empire there was no Bosniak identity. Gorani were not even part Bosnian Eyalet.
    Timok Vlachs were integrated in Serbian society in 19th century when Serbia first had broad authonomy and then became independent.

    Bosniaks are artificial nation, unlike Serbs.
    My father was identifying as Serb, writing Cyrillic script and then Patriarch Pavle 1990 said on TV that he isn't even remotely Serb, that he is Turk.

    We have RIGHT to create a nation if we choose so, we hate your Orthodox Church with passion, that Church has been terrorizing us for 200 years.

    Bosniaks exist and will continue to exist, Irinej and Pavle can suck our dicks if they don't like us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    You destroy unique culture of Gorani. Bosniakization is more dangerous for Gorani identity than albanization, macedonization, bulgarization and turkization.
    Your propaganda on Gorani is same as Croatian propaganda on Bačka Bunjevci.

    In 1990s Alija Izetbegović and Muhamed Filipović created artificial Bosniak nation from Serbian speaking BiH and Sandžakian Muslims. Today you claim all South Slavic Muslims.
    Says the result of Serbian Church propaganda which turned Orthodox Vlachs of Croatia into Serbs lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    Says the result of Serbian Church propaganda which turned Orthodox Vlachs of Croatia into Serbs lol.
    True! My family should have never trusted SPC, happy we changed religion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    Says the result of Serbian Church propaganda which turned Orthodox Vlachs of Croatia into Serbs lol.
    Vlachs who ploting more northern and western than Slavic Serbs from Serbia!

    If Serbs from Croatia are Vlachs they should ploting close to Greeks and Albanians, not close to Austians (HungryLion), Moldavians (Dušan), Serbs and Moldavians (Aye's dad), Croatians (other Banija Serb) etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Do you know his/her region?
    Yes, it says his origins are from Kochan , a historical village from Blagoevgrad province.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    What clades of R1a are they? Other than basal M198 I wonder what the other R clade are for R1a.

    I’m surprised how they accepted Islam. They were OG pagan Slavs that resisted christianization. Even after the fact that most of their surrounding kin converted.
    They were Bogomils, willingly accepted Islam and helped Ottomans in Islamization of Bulgaria and Greece. I don't know about specific clade

    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Few Pomak results from "Bosniak (Sandžakian) DNA project."

    Chitakov (from Kochan) E1b1b https://bosnjackidnk.com/porijeklo-p...kov-iz-kocana/

    Karayumerov (from Kochan) E1b1b https://bosnjackidnk.com/porijeklo-p...rov-iz-kocana/

    Zaimov (from Kochan) I2 https://bosnjackidnk.com/porijeklo-p...cana-bugarska/

    Dautev (from Kochan) I2 https://bosnjackidnk.com/porijeklo-p...cana-bugarska/

    Uzunov (from Kochan) I2 https://bosnjackidnk.com/porijeklo-p...cana-bugarska/
    Thank you! I already added them
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    These two under R1b-BY611>Z2705 definitely have Albanian origin.
    Autosomal of 6

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 25.67
    2 North_Atlantic 20.64
    3 East_Med 20.02
    4 West_Med 15.31
    5 West_Asian 12.11
    6 Red_Sea 2.93
    7 South_Asian 1.61
    8 Sub-Saharan 0.63
    9 Oceanian 0.56
    10 Amerindian 0.45
    11 East_Asian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bulgarian 3.45
    2 Romanian 4.52
    3 Serbian 7.52
    4 Greek_Thessaly 10.76
    5 Moldavian 11.61
    6 Croatian 14.69
    7 Hungarian 15.16
    8 Central_Greek 17.36
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 17.37
    10 Tuscan 17.61
    11 Austrian 18.52
    12 East_Sicilian 18.58
    13 North_Italian 18.73
    14 West_Sicilian 19.05
    15 Ashkenazi 19.67
    16 East_German 20.22
    17 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.72
    18 South_Polish 21.67
    19 South_Italian 21.82
    20 Ukrainian 22.03

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.9% South_Italian + 47.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.33
    2 68.3% Croatian + 31.7% Cyprian @ 1.51
    3 58.6% Central_Greek + 41.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.51
    4 59.3% South_Polish + 40.7% Cyprian @ 1.54
    5 58.5% Central_Greek + 41.5% Southwest_Russian @ 1.67
    6 56.9% East_Sicilian + 43.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.71
    7 52.8% South_Italian + 47.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.83
    8 65% Central_Greek + 35% Lithuanian @ 1.84
    9 60.6% Central_Greek + 39.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2
    10 69.8% Greek_Thessaly + 30.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.03
    11 76.4% Moldavian + 23.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.07
    12 72.4% Croatian + 27.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.07
    13 56.8% East_Sicilian + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.13
    14 61.6% Central_Greek + 38.4% Belorussian @ 2.14
    15 61.1% Central_Greek + 38.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.15
    16 55.7% Polish + 44.3% Cyprian @ 2.18
    17 71.8% Croatian + 28.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.21
    18 59.7% South_Italian + 40.3% Lithuanian @ 2.25
    19 69.4% Croatian + 30.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.26
    20 73.4% Moldavian + 26.6% Cyprian @ 2.28


    They're Pomak
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Autosomal of 6

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 25.67
    2 North_Atlantic 20.64
    3 East_Med 20.02
    4 West_Med 15.31
    5 West_Asian 12.11
    6 Red_Sea 2.93
    7 South_Asian 1.61
    8 Sub-Saharan 0.63
    9 Oceanian 0.56
    10 Amerindian 0.45
    11 East_Asian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bulgarian 3.45
    2 Romanian 4.52
    3 Serbian 7.52
    4 Greek_Thessaly 10.76
    5 Moldavian 11.61
    6 Croatian 14.69
    7 Hungarian 15.16
    8 Central_Greek 17.36
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 17.37
    10 Tuscan 17.61
    11 Austrian 18.52
    12 East_Sicilian 18.58
    13 North_Italian 18.73
    14 West_Sicilian 19.05
    15 Ashkenazi 19.67
    16 East_German 20.22
    17 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.72
    18 South_Polish 21.67
    19 South_Italian 21.82
    20 Ukrainian 22.03

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.9% South_Italian + 47.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.33
    2 68.3% Croatian + 31.7% Cyprian @ 1.51
    3 58.6% Central_Greek + 41.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.51
    4 59.3% South_Polish + 40.7% Cyprian @ 1.54
    5 58.5% Central_Greek + 41.5% Southwest_Russian @ 1.67
    6 56.9% East_Sicilian + 43.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.71
    7 52.8% South_Italian + 47.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.83
    8 65% Central_Greek + 35% Lithuanian @ 1.84
    9 60.6% Central_Greek + 39.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2
    10 69.8% Greek_Thessaly + 30.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.03
    11 76.4% Moldavian + 23.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.07
    12 72.4% Croatian + 27.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.07
    13 56.8% East_Sicilian + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.13
    14 61.6% Central_Greek + 38.4% Belorussian @ 2.14
    15 61.1% Central_Greek + 38.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.15
    16 55.7% Polish + 44.3% Cyprian @ 2.18
    17 71.8% Croatian + 28.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.21
    18 59.7% South_Italian + 40.3% Lithuanian @ 2.25
    19 69.4% Croatian + 30.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.26
    20 73.4% Moldavian + 26.6% Cyprian @ 2.28


    They're Pomak
    I think he's referencing their origin by YDNA through the paternal lines. Not their actual ancestry in recent history. Based on what we currently know R1b-BY611>Z2705 is most common/diverse in Albanians. Additionally, it only has a TMRCA of 1500ypb. This is almost around the exact time that most Albanians trace their ancestry through a tightly knit population. Both autosomally and by the YDNA.

    Much like PH908 for Serbs, Z2705 is almost a surefire indication of Albanian origin. Unless he belongs further downstream, his Albanian progenitor lived around 1500ypb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Autosomal of 6

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 25.67
    2 North_Atlantic 20.64
    3 East_Med 20.02
    4 West_Med 15.31
    5 West_Asian 12.11
    6 Red_Sea 2.93
    7 South_Asian 1.61
    8 Sub-Saharan 0.63
    9 Oceanian 0.56
    10 Amerindian 0.45
    11 East_Asian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bulgarian 3.45
    2 Romanian 4.52
    3 Serbian 7.52
    4 Greek_Thessaly 10.76
    5 Moldavian 11.61
    6 Croatian 14.69
    7 Hungarian 15.16
    8 Central_Greek 17.36
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 17.37
    10 Tuscan 17.61
    11 Austrian 18.52
    12 East_Sicilian 18.58
    13 North_Italian 18.73
    14 West_Sicilian 19.05
    15 Ashkenazi 19.67
    16 East_German 20.22
    17 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.72
    18 South_Polish 21.67
    19 South_Italian 21.82
    20 Ukrainian 22.03

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.9% South_Italian + 47.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.33
    2 68.3% Croatian + 31.7% Cyprian @ 1.51
    3 58.6% Central_Greek + 41.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.51
    4 59.3% South_Polish + 40.7% Cyprian @ 1.54
    5 58.5% Central_Greek + 41.5% Southwest_Russian @ 1.67
    6 56.9% East_Sicilian + 43.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.71
    7 52.8% South_Italian + 47.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.83
    8 65% Central_Greek + 35% Lithuanian @ 1.84
    9 60.6% Central_Greek + 39.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2
    10 69.8% Greek_Thessaly + 30.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.03
    11 76.4% Moldavian + 23.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.07
    12 72.4% Croatian + 27.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.07
    13 56.8% East_Sicilian + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.13
    14 61.6% Central_Greek + 38.4% Belorussian @ 2.14
    15 61.1% Central_Greek + 38.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.15
    16 55.7% Polish + 44.3% Cyprian @ 2.18
    17 71.8% Croatian + 28.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.21
    18 59.7% South_Italian + 40.3% Lithuanian @ 2.25
    19 69.4% Croatian + 30.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.26
    20 73.4% Moldavian + 26.6% Cyprian @ 2.28


    They're Pomak


    I didn’t say they aren’t Pomaks. I was talking about their origins. We have a cousin under R1b-BY611>Z2705>Y32147 that’s almost purely Saudi Arabian autosomally, but of course paternally he has distant Albanian origins. Get with the program and stop referencing useless gedmatch calculators

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