Map of Celtic, Germanic and Iberian tribes before Roman expansion

[Peterski]

We'd all be inbred and related on gedmatch then.

Oh come on, after ~1500 years since that migration, our shared segments became too fragmented for GEDmatch to notice.

But studies show that there is still higher IBD sharing between Slavic countries than even between various regions of Italy:

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1001555

Your average Novgorodian is literally more closely related to your average Slovene, than a Tuscan is to a Campanian, LOL.

[Dick]

Oh come on, after ~1500 years since that migration, our shared segments became too fragmented for GEDmatch to notice.

But studies show that there is still higher IBD sharing between Slavic countries than even between various regions of Italy:

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1001555

Your average Novgorodian is literally more closely related to your average Slovene, than a Tuscan is to a Campanian, LOL.

You have a point there. I've seen many Slavic gedmatch kits that show admixture with Belarus, this even includes Slavovlachs from Greece!

[TheOldNorth]

^^^
It shows the Cimbri of Jutland as Germanic. I personally think the Cimbri were a Celtic enclave, this article convinced me:

http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf

I still seriously doubt it, the cimbri are in the literal heartland of the Germanic world

[Peterski]

You have a point there. I've seen many Slavic gedmatch kits that show admixture with Belarus, this even includes Slavovlachs from Greece!

And those Slavic tribes who lived near Novgorod were even called Ilmen Slovenes (Il'menskiye Slovene in Russian).

[Dick]

And those Slavic tribes who lived near Novgorod were even called Ilmen Slovenes (Il'menskiye Slovene in Russian).

[Peterski]

I still seriously doubt it, the cimbri are in the literal heartland of the Germanic world

But there are other similar examples.

Celtic enclave in the middle of Anatolia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galati...eople)#History

And some Celtic enclaves also existed for example in Italy as the map posted by the OP shows.

[Lucas]

^^^
It shows the Cimbri of Jutland as Germanic. I personally think the Cimbri were a Celtic enclave, this article convinced me:

http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf

Did you notice "Lugi" in the north-eastern Scotland on the map? As part of Picts.

[HungryLion]

I2a1b is suposed to be strongest and oldest in Belarus, I guess theory about Bastranee fail apart

[Morena]

North Spain was Celt, as was the western portion of Iberia.

OP: I really like this map. I saved it. Sometimes I wish Europe was still along those lines, and the Romans had never come. They introduced most of the NA and other genetic flotsam and jetsam into Iberia. But what can we do? History only moves forward.

[Aodhan]

North Spain was Celt, as was the western portion of Iberia.

OP: I really like this map. I saved it. Sometimes I wish Europe was still along those lines, and the Romans had never come. They introduced most of the NA and other genetic flotsam and jetsam into Iberia. But what can we do? History only moves forward.

they got a these maps too

See more at: https://www.ancient.eu/image/4862/ma...d-century-bce/


See more at: https://www.ancient.eu/celt/