[Alternate History] Ethnography of Eastern Europe Without Slavs

[Peterski]

Lol I can't take this serious..I mean u put Albanins among anicent people?

I'm talking about the timeframe around year 500 AD. Surely some Proto-Albanians were already in the Balkans at that time, right?

[HungryLion]

I'm talking about the timeframe around year 500 AD. Surely some Proto-Albanians were already in the Balkans at that time, right?

Maybe, maybe not..It looks like u made anicent people from them ignoring history just bc of few dna samples..
I really don't know about any document about Albanian presence so deep in past..About their language, kings, culture..But hey why not..Who cares anyway

[Csanád]

A great thread already ruined by the wuz

[Dick]

Who are Slavs?

That's a name for a 6th century A.D. Tribe especially related to Balkans.

When you explain me who are Slavs then I might answer the question.

Literally nobody called himself "Slav" in Eastern Europe until very recently (few hundred years ago).

We don’t know that but you have a point there doc. Today’s southern slavs were the first to be called Slavs by the Romans.

[Peterski]

We don’t know that but you have a point there doc. Today’s southern slavs were the first to be called Slavs by the Romans.

True. West Slavs used to be known as Wends originally. The name Slavs was later transmitted on us from South Slavs.

Maybe, maybe not..It looks like u made anicent people from them ignoring history just bc of few dna samples..
I really don't know about any document about Albanian presence so deep in past..About their language, kings, culture..But hey why not..Who cares anyway

I wanted to add Illyrians but apparently Illyrian language was already extinct at that time, apart from - possibly - one dialect, ancestral to Albanian.

The vast majority of Illyrians were already Romanized and spoke Latin at that time.

[HungryLion]

some Czech authors claim that the southern Slavs were called Serbs before they called Slavs.

[Ayetooey]

The Avars decimated the Romanised locals; they probably would of spread further without the Slavs crushing them. East Europe would be some gang bang of Avars, Mongols and Iranid Sarmatians.

[Dick]

True. West Slavs used to be known as Wends originally. The name Slavs was later transmitted on us from South Slavs.



I wanted to add Illyrians but apparently Illyrian language was already extinct at that time, apart from - possibly - one dialect, ancestral to Albanian.

It was the germanics that called us Wends. I remember seeing an old German map of the Balkans and the word Wends was used for Slovenes and Serbs but not Croats.

[ixulescu]

Not much would have changed.
Eastern Europe would have been dominated by the tribes already local. Thrachian, East Romance, Baltic (? not so sure here), East German, and Norse.
The livelihood of the Turkic tribes was tied to the steppe, and the steppe ends at the Carpathians.

[HungryLion]

It was the germanics that called us Wends. I remember seeing an old German map of the Balkans and the word Wends was used for Slovenes and Serbs but not Croats.

On the old maps Croats wasn't called Slavs, I guess it was Avar tribes or partly under Avars rules and name.