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    Quote Originally Posted by Deneb View Post
    Pro-EU Dutch parties see surprise gains in EU election. Mainstream Dutch parties that support the EU took 70% of the vote, 3% more than they did five years ago. The Forum for Democracy of Dutch nationalist Thierry Baudet, which had been polling neck and neck in first place alongside the conservatives of Prime Minister Mark Rutte, ended fourth. Geert Wilders’ anti-immigration Freedom Party fell to 4%, its worst showing since it was established in 2006.

    Nexit is over.
    Nice try but you were proven wrong Here are the 2014 results:
    List Party's Number of votes Electoral quota Seats
    A (list 1+8) Christian Democratic Appeal + Christian Union-SGP 1,086,609 182,836 5
    B (list 3+6) Labour Party + GreenLeft 778,357 182,836 4
    2 Party for Freedom 633,114 182,836 3
    4 People's Party for Freedom and Democracy 571,176 182,836 3
    5 Democrats 66 735,825 182,836 4
    7 Socialist Party 458,079 182,836 2
    9 Article 50 24,069 182,836 0
    10 IQ, the Rights-Obligations-Party 1,705 182,836 0
    11 Pirate Party 40,216 182,836 0
    12 50PLUS 175,343 182,836 0
    13 The Greens 10,883 182,836 0
    14 Anti EU(ro) Party 12,290 182,836 0
    15 Liberal Democratic Party 6,349 182,836 0
    16 JESUS LIVES 9,507 182,836 0
    17 ichooseforhonest.eu 6,796 182,836 0
    18 Party for the Animals 200,254 182,836 1
    19 Focus and Simplicity 3,174 182,836 0
    Total 4,753,746 22
    Total seats 26
    Remaining seats 4
    Quote Originally Posted by coolfrenchguy View Post
    The PvdA, Labour party in the Netherlands, was the big winner in the elections held in the Netherlands to determine the country's representation in the European Parliament, according to an exit poll by Ipsos for broadcaster NOS. With a European contingent headed by popular European Commissioner Frans Timmermans, the Labour party is expected to hold five seats of the 26 up for grabs on Thursday night. That would equate to an increase of two seats, with the exit poll carrying a two-percent margin of error equating to one seat in parliament.
    Exit polling also showed a drop in support for Nexit and other nationalist issues, and an increase in support for a stronger European Union.
    Nationalist far-right party Forum voor Democratie took three seats, which have them behind Prime Minister Mark Rutte's right wing VVD party. The pro-EU VVD is expected to hold four seats, an increase of one.
    The gains by FvD do not mean an increase in seats for the nationalist wing in the Netherlands, as the big losers of the night were Geert Wilders's PVV. The party is expected to lose three of its four seats, meaning the two parties combine for four seats.
    GroenLinks and 50Plus are the only other parties expected to gain a seat, with the greens upping their representation to three seats, and 50Plus capturing their only seat, according to Ipsos.
    Also D66 saw their four seats slashed in half, striking a blow to that party's European goals. The results of the final exit polling shows the following political parties won specific percentages of the electorate (with the change from the 2014 election in parenthesis):



    • PvdA, 18.1% of the vote for 5 seats (up 8.7%, up 2 seats)
    • VVD, 15.0% of the vote for 4 seats (up 3.0%, up 1 seat)
    • CDA, 12.3% of the vote for 4 seats (down 2.9%, down 1 seat)
    • FvD, 11.0% of the vote for 3 seats (did not participate in 2014, first 3 seats)
    • GroenLinks, 10.5% of the vote for 3 seats (up 3.5%, up 1 seat)
    • D66, 6.3% of the vote for 2 seats (down 9.2%, down 2 seats)
    • ChristenUnie-SGP, 7.9% of the vote for 2 seats (down 0.2%, no change)
    • PVV, 4.1% of the vote for 1 seat (down 9.2%, down 3 seats)
    • SP, 3.9% of the vote for 1 seat (down 5.7%, down 1 seats)
    • 50Plus, 4.1% of the vote for 1 seat (up 0.4%, up 1 seat)
    • Partij voor de Dieren, 3.6% of the vote for 0 seats (down 0.6%, down 1 seat)
    • Other parties, 3.1% of the vote for 0 seats (up 2.0%, no change)

    As other EU Member States are only voting over the weekend, the results for the European elections will only be available on Sunday night or Monday morning. Only the voting public in the Netherlands and the United Kingdom hit the polls for the election on Thursday.



    source : https://nltimes.nl/2019/05/23/dutch-...u-exit-polling

    big satan free-mason timmermans and PVDA (labour party,center left) have win 5 seats great !(dry sacarstic humour of course)because as rotten scumbag timmermans is the number one
    i don't comment the UK results, too messy ,but i have heard than they are not ready yet to live us for now

    and geert wilders fall to 1 seat
    The FvD, the real hardline Eurosceptic party didn't participate in 2014 and they won 3 seats now in 2019 . So what you see here is the Left moving to the Right (the Center) and the Right moving to the Right. PVV being the Freedom Party and the PvdA being Labor. We also see a move from the CDA to VVD (also very interesting) which is much less inclined to go along with what the EU wants.

    On the Dutch political spectrum, FvD is about as Far Right as parties now go.

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    Even so, Nexit is over, and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deneb View Post
    Even so, Nexit is over, and you know it.
    Nope. Because the real vote will be in the national elections which FVD may well win (currently they have over 25 seats in the polls).



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    Also very interesting is to see D66 (VERY pro-Europe) lose 2 seats. Those probably either went to GroenLinks or PvdA.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    "Trump populists" ? The propaganda is strong here. Actually: traditionally very few people bother to vote in European elections because it is considered so distant to us and we have long since checked out because people feel that our vote doesn't matter. You will see our real vote in national elections and the PVV's seats went to the much more Eurosceptic Forum voor Democratie. These are the latest polls for the national parliament if elections are held today. And what do we see there ? The Eurosceptic Forum becomes the single biggest party.
    Irony but nice lol

    Do you suffer under a bipolar disorder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Irony but nice lol

    Do you suffer under a bipolar disorder?
    Or.. you have been living under a rock not knowing how much the political situation changed in your own country or in your immediate neighbours. Being a nihilist, I expect that from you. The public have seen what chaos Brexit chaos have caused and they have no wish to inflict it upon their own country. Except, perhaps, for the really stupid like yourself. The 2019 figures make this painfully clear:

    10 percent of Germans favour a Dexit. The moment they initiate a referendum, they would be slaughtered. 14 percent of Dutch favour a Nexit. Which means: not going to happen. Britain is on its own. Cut off from the continent. The latest polls even show that the Eurosceptic parties are stuck. They have reached their ceiling. The AFD is barely growing, the PVV is even losing and the SP (socialists) aren't going anywhere either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Or.. you have been living under a rock not knowing how much the political situation changed in your own country or in your immediate neighbours. Being a nihilist, I expect that from you. The public have seen what chaos Brexit chaos have caused and they have no wish to inflict it upon their own country. Except, perhaps, for the really stupid like yourself. The 2019 figures make this painfully clear:
    10 percent of Germans favour a Dexit. The moment they initiate a referendum, they would be slaughtered. 14 percent of Dutch favour a Nexit. Which means: not going to happen. Britain is on its own. Cut off from the continent.
    Since when realism matters to you? How many are in favour of the voilent revolution you want?
    The guy in this thread also confronted you with numbers that you denied.

    I know a dexit is unlikely, I never claimed something else.


    So tell me, how many are in favour of the voilent revolution?

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    Only 14% of the dutch?
    Here I will let my buddy reply

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Wrong. The Dutch are so eurosceptic that people don't vote in the EP "elections" anymore.. nor did they ever. The number of voters has always been around 35 percent or so. The European Union is, effectively, dead to us. When I went to vote the other day, I was pretty much the only one who was there as the whole station was empty except for the people behind the desk. Normally, I have to wait before I can get to a booth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Since when realism matters to you? How many are in favour of the voilent revolution you want?
    The guy in this thread also confronted you with numbers that you denied.

    I know a dexit is unlikely, I never claimed something else.


    So tell me, how many are in favour of the voilent revolution?
    The situation was rather different back then. I'll tell you what: you see now that the electorate here votes conservatively. Why ? Because not of the Eurosceptic parties delivered anything but empty rhetoric. The PVV under Wilders even dodged their chance to join a cabinet. At least the Progressive Left is not in the government so they will do a lot less damage. The Eurosceptic parties had their chance - they didn't take it. And with that: they blew it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    The situation was rather different back then. I'll tell you what: you see now that the electorate here votes conservatively. Why ? Because not of the Eurosceptic parties delivered anything but empty rhetoric. The PVV under Wilders even dodged their chance to join a cabinet. At least the Progressive Left is not in the government so they will do a lot less damage.
    7months lol

    Have such a switch of views within 7months speaks for insanity and lack of worldview

    most inconsistent person I saw here, congrats.

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