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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospon.Fulir View Post
    Serbs got confused because word KAJ ...well i was in slovenia and lived there like month and half they speak dijalect which is very different to Zagorski ... only prekmurcu are simmilar to zagorci
    I know. Same is with Serbian and Bulgarian Torlaks.

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    They are Slovenes in denial, end of story!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    They are Slovenes in denial, end of story!
    ''Slovenci su odmetnuti Zagorci, koje grofovi Celjski nisu smatrali dostojnim Germanizacije.''
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    Stvarno je to izjavio btw, ne trolam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    ''Slovenci su odmetnuti Zagorci, koje grofovi Celjski nisu smatrali dostojnima Germanizacije.''
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    In 16th century because of Ottoman invasion part of Croatian nobility from south moved to present day NW Croatia where Habsburgs gave them estates. Local Slovinci (kaykavian) peasants became subjects of Croatian noblemans and Croatian noblemans started to impose them Croatian name and identity. Croatization of Slovinci finnished in 18th century.
    Kaykavians of NW Croatia before croatization call themselves Slovinci, and that is almost same as Slovenci (Slovenes). Difference is only in one letter, like between Rumani (Vlachs of East Serbia) and Romani (Romanians).

    Kaykavians of NW Croatia are still closer to Slovenes than to other Croatians in every aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    In 16th century because of Ottoman invasion part of Croatian nobility from south moved to present day NW Croatia where Habsburgs gave them estates. Local Slovinci (kaykavian) peasants became subjects of Croatian noblemans and Croatian noblemans started to impose them Croatian name and identity. Croatization of Slovinci finnished in 18th century.
    Kaykavians of NW Croatia before croatization call themselves Slovinci, and that is almost same as Slovenci (Slovenes). Difference is only in one letter, like between Rumani (Vlachs of East Serbia) and Romani (Romanians).

    Kaykavians of NW Croatia are still closer to Slovenes than to other Croatians in every aspect.
    Prije svega hrvatski jezik nije utemeljen na štokavskom narječju nego je stiliziran štokavskom ijekavicom. Isti jezik kao naš hrvatski je i gradišćanskohrvatski koji je stiliziran čakavskom ikavicom i razlikuje se malo u starim oblicima par padeža i s nešto više germanizama. On je uglavnom jednako zastupljen riječima iz sva tri narječja. Svaki Hrvat štokavac, kajkavec ili čakavac razumije prastari čakavski Istarski razvod jer da se taj tekst stilizira na štokavsku ijekavicu bio bi 95% isti kao današnji hrvatski. Notorna je činjenica da se zapadna štokavica razvila iz čakavice a srpski jezik iz rječnika kajkavaca Belostenca i Jambrešića te ostalih hrvatskih štokavaca. Suludo je uopće raspravljati tko je kome nešto uzeo kada je početak "srpskog" skup pjesmica polusenilnih baba iz Bosne i Hrvatske a što se tiče nekakvog istočnohercegovačkog narječja, pa svaka budala koja vidi kako izgleda ta istočna Hercegovina vidi da tamo nema niti vodovoda a kamoli tiskare, možda čak i danas. Taj tzv. istočnohercegovački je dubrovačka književnost koju su neki pokušali pripisati primitivnim ijekavskim Vlasima koji još dan danas ne znaju pisati širom Korduna, Bosne i Banovine. To knjigu rabi samo za paljenje logorske vatre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Zagreb, Zagorje and Međimurje must became part of mother Slovenia!

    Idi narani Odeona, on gladuje dok ti raspravljaš o stvarima o kojima pojma nemaš.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Zagreb, Zagorje and Međimurje must became part of mother Slovenia!

    Idi narani Odeona, on gladuje dok ti raspravljaš o stvarima o kojima pojma nemaš.
    Mnogi fakti o srbskoj istoriji do sada su morali da se prećutkuju. U okolici Prokuplja postoji staro narodno predanje da je nekada Srbija izlazila na Indijski okean i da se ostrvo Java zvalo Jova i to po caru Jovanu Vladimiru. Ustaška vlast Josipa Broza uradela je sve da se o tome nije smelo da priča pa tako danas nijedan Srbin ne može bez vize na Bali a to jeste njegova sveta srbska zemlja. Ali istina uvek ispluta kao govno na površinu! Pogledajte samo listu vladalaca Indonezije:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sa_Dynasty.svg

    Ko tu ne vidi da se skoro svaki vladaoc zvao bhre, tj. bre? Pa mi i danas tako zovemo svoje vladare - bre Draža, bre Sloba, bre Aca i tako dalje.

    Zatim je tu i grb, kao šta možete da vidite to jeste čisti srbski orao, nema šta drugo da bude. Mnogo liči na crnogorski koji isto jeste naš.

    http://i37.tinypic.com/2eezty8.jpg

    Cenim da bi bilo lepo da ove neoborive dokaze neko prosledi dr. Deretiću i vladi Srbije da se naredne godine uvrsti u školski program a indonežanskoj vladi da pošalje preteće pismo da prestanu da se sunete i muslimanče dok im lazarova ruka ne presudi zbog izdaje sopstvene pravoslavne vere.

    Prijatno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Mnogi fakti o srbskoj istoriji do sada su morali da se prećutkuju. U okolici Prokuplja postoji staro narodno predanje da je nekada Srbija izlazila na Indijski okean i da se ostrvo Java zvalo Jova i to po caru Jovanu Vladimiru. Ustaška vlast Josipa Broza uradela je sve da se o tome nije smelo da priča pa tako danas nijedan Srbin ne može bez vize na Bali a to jeste njegova sveta srbska zemlja. Ali istina uvek ispluta kao govno na površinu! Pogledajte samo listu vladalaca Indonezije:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sa_Dynasty.svg

    Ko tu ne vidi da se skoro svaki vladaoc zvao bhre, tj. bre? Pa mi i danas tako zovemo svoje vladare - bre Draža, bre Sloba, bre Aca i tako dalje.

    Zatim je tu i grb, kao šta možete da vidite to jeste čisti srbski orao, nema šta drugo da bude. Mnogo liči na crnogorski koji isto jeste naš.

    http://i37.tinypic.com/2eezty8.jpg

    Cenim da bi bilo lepo da ove neoborive dokaze neko prosledi dr. Deretiću i vladi Srbije da se naredne godine uvrsti u školski program a indonežanskoj vladi da pošalje preteće pismo da prestanu da se sunete i muslimanče dok im lazarova ruka ne presudi zbog izdaje sopstvene pravoslavne vere.

    Prijatno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    To četnikušo, takvu te volim!
    ''Jeste, mi smo ukrali jezik od nekoga ko je dobio naziv po robovskom statusu,
    vodao Turske konje u setnju i utabavao Turske opanke 500 godina dok mu Turcin utabava zenu, uvjek kad vidim srbina dobijem nagon da narucim donner kebab.''

    -Hrvat

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