Origin and ethnogenesis of Kajkavian Croats

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Kajkavian dialect of Croatian is spoken in most densely populated and richest part of Croatia including capital city Zagreb. Traditional Kajkavian speaking regions include northwestern and central Croatia, parts of Gorski kotar and Istria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajkavian




Thread dedicated to origins, culture and genetics of Kajkavian speaking Croats.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

https://www.visitzagorje.hr/en/objek...derthal-museum



Krapina Nenderthal site in NW Croatia, 23andme neanderthal percentage is based on their genomes. Pretty cool fact

another Neanderthal site in NW Croatia Vindija Cave

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Genetic cluster of Kajkavian Croats compared with Slovenians



Croats purple Slovenes blue

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Spread on Urnfield + Hallstat/La Tene culture included modern Kajkavian region




Based on history and genetics main element of pre-Slavic inhabitants of Kajkavian regions was Celtic which can explain different clustering of Kajkavians compared to other Croats who are mainly Slavo-Illyrian hybrids.

[Ayetooey]

Kajkavian Croats have lower I2a than other south Slavs (around 20%) heightened r1a, and most of the I2a they have is din north; which is exactly the same as Slovenes. If it wasn’t for Ottoman Dalmatian migrations north which would of slightly south shifted the genepool I think Kajkavians and Slovenes would be identical genetically.

[Alenka]

Are there sub-dialects of Kajkavian Croatian?

[Token]

I saw more of both Western European and Slavic admixture in the Kajkavian-speaking Croatian kits that i've put my hands on.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Are there sub-dialects of Kajkavian Croatian?

Yes.



Prekmurje dialect of Slovenian is closest to Croatian Kajkavian dialects.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Kajkavian Croats have lower I2a than other south Slavs (around 20%) heightened r1a, and most of the I2a they have is din north; which is exactly the same as Slovenes. If it wasn’t for Ottoman Dalmatian migrations north which would of slightly south shifted the genepool I think Kajkavians and Slovenes would be identical genetically.

Look at the K15 PCA I made, they form the same cluster. And you're correct. Only difference is stronger German influence in Slovenes due to their history, but those differences are slight.

I saw more of both Western European and Slavic admixture in the Kajkavian-speaking Croatian kits that i've put my hands on.

IMHO Kajkavian Croats could be considered part of extended Western Slavic cluster.

[Pribislav]

Yes.



Prekmurje dialect of Slovenian is closest to Croatian Kajkavian dialects.

^^^^^^

What is that? Map of NDH?

Croatian language in whole BiH to the Drina river and border with Montenegro. Nice fantasy.

Are you aware that Croatians are only 15% of BiH population?