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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    In these barplots it's possible to perceive what was said before:



    I think that my gedmatch info is much better. In 23andme i had 165 ARgentines and in gedmatch i have 900 argentines


    What was better in 23andme is that i could find full euro argentines by profile. In gedmatch i check colonial argentines cousins so getting full euros like myself is extremely hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Me gustaria ver algun estudio grande hecho en misiones. Porque cuando me fijo en la gente nacida en regiones de misiones con el facebook app me salen un monton de blancos con apellidos alemanes, eslavos, italianos, brasileros y españoles sumados a un monton de mestizos harnizos castizos blancos con apellidos españoles o paraguayos entonces me parece que es muy probable que el % euro de misiones sea mayor a lo que yo venia estimando ultimamente (50-60% euro). Si curuzu cuatia en corrientes sale 60% euro en el ultimo estudio creo que misiones podria ser tranquilamente 65% euro o 70% euro.

    Tengan en cuenta que la funsion entre blancos y mestizos da como 75% euro que es un % bastante alto..

    Yo de misiones visite en obera una zona super pobre y me acuerdpo que era muy extraño ver villeros con fenotipo Aleman. Osea que hay una mezcla importante ahi.


    Por otro lado en forebears se ve un monton de apellidos portugueses y en facebook app tmb veo muchos blancos con apellidos portugueses asi que debe haber una inmigacion importante de brasileros coloniales blancos tmb.

    Ojala hagan algun estudio grande en misiones pronto.
    Muchos brasileños coloniales del sur eran entre 80 y 95% Euro.
    En realidad gente con esos valores en Brasil se puede encontrar en muchas otras zonas.
    Muy posiblemente a Misiones hayan llegado muchos de esos.

    Por otro lado, yo arriesgo a que Misiones mínimo ronda el 70% Euro, supera con creces a Corrientes.
    Estimo que es mucho más parecido Corrientes a Paraguay que Misiones, que para mí se parece más a ciertas partes del sur de Brasil (tal vez no tan Euro cómo Santa Catarina y Rio Grande do Sul, pero cómo Paraná yo creo que seguro).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    I think that my gedmatch info is much better. In 23andme i had 165 ARgentines and in gedmatch i have 900 argentines


    What was better in 23andme is that i could find full euro argentines by profile. In gedmatch i check colonial argentines cousins so getting full euros like myself is extremely hard.
    For that reason I prefer to use your 23 andme despite your Gedmatch has more samples.
    I am almost sure that 30%/35% of argentines are 99/100%, (something like those barplots show), following the bulk which is composed by +80 and -98%, around 40% of the population, of even more.
    I don't think that too much more than 30% of the population are clearly mestizos...
    While those Getmatch suggest that no more than 20% are full euro... we know that 99/100 are a minority, but not only 1/5 of the population but around 1/3 which 23andme suggest.
    Even though I suspect that probably those 23andme samples would be majority from the Pampean Region but well... it's the most populated area of the country, so... it's a good index.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffmannn View Post
    Yo siempre he estimado, a ojo de facebook, que Misiones no debe andar muy lejos en % de genética europea de las provincias del centro del país, si las provincias pampeanas son 75%, Misiones debe ser 65-70% euro.
    Claro yo antes pensaba que misiones era muy mestiza pero mirando en facebook por lugar de nacimiento veo que salen UN MONTON de blancos con apellidos portugueses alemanes italianos (descendientes de gauchos brasileros imagino) . Si a eso le sumas alemanes nuestros, mas coloniales tipo correntino, mas paraguayos, el % euro deberia ser bastante alto. El 60% euro correntino deberia ser el minimo para corrientes.

    Yo tengo kits de una familia de misioneros que tienen un apellido raro que parece ser español pero que tiene peak en brasil tmb y salen 90-100% euro. Yo pense que el apellido era italiano pero parece que es español.

    https://forebears.io/surnames/freaza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Claro yo antes pensaba que misiones era muy mestiza pero mirando en facebook por lugar de nacimiento veo que salen UN MONTON de blancos con apellidos portugueses alemanes italianos (descendientes de gauchos brasileros imagino) . Si a eso le sumas alemanes nuestros, mas coloniales tipo correntino, mas paraguayos, el % euro deberia ser bastante alto. El 60% euro correntino deberia ser el minimo para corrientes.

    Yo tengo kits de una familia de misioneros que tienen un apellido raro que parece ser español pero que tiene peak en brasil tmb y salen 90-100% euro. Yo pense que el apellido era italiano pero parece que es español.

    https://forebears.io/surnames/freaza
    Es gallego el apellido parece...
    Deberia ser inmigrante entonces:


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    Here a new study that is interesting because its from 2 northwest provinces. It tested paternal contribution and its mostly european. They didnt test mtdna (maternal ancestry) but its probably amerindian creating mestizos.

    Notice that there is a huge difference between this Colonial mestizo regions and more indomestizo regions like jujuy or Bolivia where a significant part of the population will have amerindian ydna.


    https://revistas.unlp.edu.ar/raab/ar...oad/5263/6563/

    VARIABILIDAD DE LINAJES PATERNOS EN DOS POBLACIONES DEL NOROESTE ARGENTINO: SANTIAGO DEL ESTERO Y TUCUMÁN

    VARIABILITY OF PATERNAL LINEAGES IN TWO POPULATIONS FROM THE ARGENTINIAN NORTHWEST: SANTIAGO DEL ESTERO AND TUCUMÁN



    They only studied paternal contribution (ydna).

    Samples 283

    Ancestral Paternal Contribution for both provinces

    89% Euroasiatic (mostly r1b1 typical spanish haplogroup)
    7% Native American (Q1b1)
    4 % African (the african haplogroup E1b1 can also be european or middle eastern)


    Santiago Del Estero Public Hospital 8.8% Native American Paternal Ancestry
    Santiago del Estero Private Hospital 1.8% Native American Paternal Ancestry

    Tucuman Public Hospital 8.6% Native American Paternal Ancestry
    Tucuman Private Hospital 9.7% Native American Paternal Ancestry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Here a new study that is interesting because its from 2 northwest provinces. It tested paternal contribution and its mostly european. They didnt test mtdna (maternal ancestry) but its probably amerindian creating mestizos.

    Notice that there is a huge difference between this Colonial mestizo regions and more indomestizo regions like jujuy or Bolivia where a significant part of the population will have amerindian ydna.


    https://revistas.unlp.edu.ar/raab/ar...oad/5263/6563/

    VARIABILIDAD DE LINAJES PATERNOS EN DOS POBLACIONES DEL NOROESTE ARGENTINO: SANTIAGO DEL ESTERO Y TUCUMÁN

    VARIABILITY OF PATERNAL LINEAGES IN TWO POPULATIONS FROM THE ARGENTINIAN NORTHWEST: SANTIAGO DEL ESTERO AND TUCUMÁN



    They only studied paternal contribution (ydna).

    Samples 283

    Ancestral Paternal Contribution for both provinces

    89% Euroasiatic (mostly r1b1 typical spanish haplogroup)
    7% Native American (Q1b1)
    4 % African (the african haplogroup E1b1 can also be european or middle eastern)


    Santiago Del Estero Public Hospital 8.8% Native American Paternal Ancestry
    Santiago del Estero Private Hospital 1.8% Native American Paternal Ancestry

    Tucuman Public Hospital 8.6% Native American Paternal Ancestry
    Tucuman Private Hospital 9.7% Native American Paternal Ancestry
    Es muy raro, pero tengo un pariente genetico que es español de las Islas Canarias.
    Su madre es española y su padre argentino de Villa Gesell.
    LO INCREIBLE ES QUE TIENE Y-DNA "Q"....
    Y lo mas curioso es que la parentela entre el y yo viene de su lado materno, o sea de España.
    Pero sigue siendo curioso lo de su haplogrupo, son realmente raros y contados.
    Last edited by Erronkari; 07-23-2019 at 02:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    Es muy raro, pero tengo un pariente genetico que es español de las Islas Canarias.
    Su madre es española y su padre argentino de Villa Gesell.
    LO INCREIBLE ES QUE TIENE Y-DNA "Q"....
    Y lo mas curioso es que la parentela viene de su lado materno, o sea de España.
    Pero sigue siendo curioso lo de su haplogrupo, son realmente raros y contados.
    Siempre ha habido intercambios de población entre las Canarias y, América, no masivos, pero existían. Por eso le sale Q.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffmannn View Post
    Siempre ha habido intercambios de población entre las Canarias y, América, no masivos, pero existían. Por eso le sale Q.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    Es muy raro, pero tengo un pariente genetico que es español de las Islas Canarias.
    Su madre es española y su padre argentino de Villa Gesell.
    LO INCREIBLE ES QUE TIENE Y-DNA "Q"....
    Y lo mas curioso es que la parentela entre el y yo viene de su lado materno, o sea de España.
    Pero sigue siendo curioso lo de su haplogrupo, son realmente raros y contados.

    Los ydna y mtdna son medio inservibles para casos individuales porque vos podes tener mtdna amerindio y ser 99% euro o podes tener mtdna europeo y ser 99% indigena. PERO a nivel general en promedio dan una idea.

    Casi siempre las regiones mestizas balanceadas salen ydna euro mtdna amerindio. En cambio las regiones indomestizas tipo peru o bolivia van a tener bastante de ydna amerindio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Los ydna y mtdna son medio inservibles para casos individuales porque vos podes tener mtdna amerindio y ser 99% euro o podes tener mtdna europeo y ser 99% indigena. PERO a nivel general en promedio dan una idea.

    Casi siempre las regiones mestizas balanceadas salen ydna euro mtdna amerindio. En cambio las regiones indomestizas tipo peru o bolivia van a tener bastante de ydna amerindio.
    Si si. Exacto.
    Yo tengo MTDNA nativo (A2) y soy 95.5% a 97% Euro segun los =/= tests...
    Y tengo un amigo de Texas que es 60% Euro y tiene MTDNA Euro (H), o sea de proporcionalidad CERO.... por eso se dice que los haplogrupos son como los "apellidos", es decir representan una minima parte y encima lejanisima...

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