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    The worst always seem to come from Warrior cultures...





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    These soldiers had no rival with swords in their hands.





    or with spears



    or with muskets



    Or with all at same time



    For me, the best soldiers, given their small number and wins, Spanish tercios.

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    Every nation in the world has been at war, at least once. Some people are much better fighters than others. Which nationality do you think produces the best soldiers, and which one produces the worst?
    It's not be politically correct to admit but looking merely at the performance of soldiers in battle one side stands out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ar_II_air_aces
    ^Ridiculous list. And one country dominates it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_from_Germany
    ^Panzer ace list.

    One airplane pilot flew 2,530 combat missions claiming a total of 2,000 targets destroyed; including 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, a destroyer, two cruisers, one Soviet battleship, 70 landing craft, 4 armored trains, several bridges and nine aircraft which he shot down.

    It does come down a bit to technical ability compared to your enemy which the Germans held over the Soviets which may bias the results. Probably never again will statistics like these happen in war. The Germans really pulled out ridiculous scores on all fronts in all areas of the second world war (not as much in the west though).

    If adjusting for technical ability (a war of two equal sides) I'd say the Confederates fought well against the Union. A defensive war on your own soil always makes the troops so much more fierce and it showed in the unbalanced casualty results of battle.

    The worst solders- there's probably too many to list which were all equally terrible.

    I don't know other conflicts well enough to make a longer list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColourBlind View Post
    Joe, make your own list. And put other nations than America.
    Just the fact that you guys couldn't even beat us in the Revolutionary War knocks you down and raises our stock. Cornwalllis and Clinton were inept and outwitted by Washington in the Yorktown campaign. But in no particular order - Romans. Mongols, Spanish, Prussians, Dutch.

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    Pound for pound, given the same equipment, Polish soldiers are the best.

    Examples from WWII include the Battle of Britain, where the best pilots were Poles. Also North Africa, Italy, Middle East...

    I should also mention that many Poles fought on the eastern front, including my grandfather and his four brothers. They were all in Berlin in 1945, and their last battle was near the Berlin Zoo of all places.

    My other grandfather fought in western Europe, and was part of General Maczek's unit that oversaw the surrender of the Kriegsmarine.

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    That's why I told everyone to make a list, so they can both stroke their ego (which inevitably happens) and add other countries that have capable soldiers. It's interesting to compare these lists.

    The Americans are also among the best fighters, if you count aerial power. In that area, not even the Brits are their equal. Still, I wouldn't rank them above the others on my list (given a complete track record).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Pound for pound, given the same equipment, Polish soldiers are the best.

    Examples from WWII include the Battle of Britain, where the best pilots were Poles. Also North Africa, Italy, Middle East...

    I should also mention that many Poles fought on the eastern front, including my grandfather and his four brothers. They were all in Berlin in 1945, and their last battle was near the Berlin Zoo of all places.

    My other grandfather fought in western Europe, and was part of General Maczek's unit that oversaw the surrender of the Kriegsmarine.
    The lack of equipment and proper planning is also part of good soldiery, as it extends to the top brass. The Polish performance against Germany could have been better. They also performed less than spectacularly against Prussia in earlier eras, and the Prussians were never heavy in the frills of warfare either. I'll add to your laundry list though: Sobieski and allies were outnumbered almost 2-1 by Kara Mustafa Pasha at Vienna and still won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    I'll add to your laundry list though: Sobieski and allies were outnumbered almost 2-1 by Kara Mustafa Pasha at Vienna and still won.
    I completely forgot about the Turks. As far as I know, the Turks are the only Muslim people in the world who are good fighters. Must have something to do with their Central Asiatic background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    The lack of equipment and proper planning is also part of good soldiery, as it extends to the top brass. The Polish performance against Germany could have been better. They also performed less than spectacularly against Prussia in earlier eras, and the Prussians were never heavy in the frills of warfare either. I'll add to your laundry list though: Sobieski and allies were outnumbered almost 2-1 by Kara Mustafa Pasha at Vienna and still won.
    Poland couldn't modernize its military before WWII because it was seen as a young and "seasonal country" by western investors, who preferred to back Hilter.

    But that's no longer a problem, thank god, and Polish military is now going through a major overhaul, which will make it the most modern and professional in Central and Central-Eastern Europe.

    By the way, I'm not sure what conflicts with Prussia you're talking about? Poland was actually part of the same nation as Saxony for a long time, and there was no conflict with ze Germans since the battle of Grunwald, which we won convincingly.

    Indeed, when East Prussia rebelled against the Polish King, it was punished with massive Polish Tatar raids, and it didn't as much as squeek after that.

    If you're talking about the later Prussian occupation of Poland, that was a result of internal Polish problems and didn't really need any outside military intervention to be successful. Ironically, it was caused by the lack of the influence of the Black Death on Polish terrirtory, which saw the continuation of the serfdom of peasants, and a lack of reforms.

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