What race/culture is the most foreign to Indians/Asians

[rajputprincess]

Still nothing like Hollywood though, outside certain parts of the world at any rate. Anyway, culturally I'd say the secular and individualistic West is the most distinct from South Asia. Racially I am not sure - South Asians have their own distinct looks but are a hybrid of Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Australoid.

I don't agree with it in many big city people are really westernized i find African and Hispanic culture more different


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[Thambi]

Even the genetic influence can be questioned to some extent. Other than some similarity with indus Valley populations, I don't see any influence between the two populations. Most of the lineages found in afghanistan are R1a, L-M20, G-M201, J2a. South Asian lineages such as H1 are rarely found beyond the Indus. Again, its usually the populations west of the Indus having a genetic influence on populations within the indo sphere.

When i meant some, i meant with most south asians outside the northwest. Us south indians dont have much to do with afghans. We get anywhere from 40-75% AASI down south depending on caste and tribe.

punjabis are right next to you guys lol with similar haplogroups... and indus valley population isnt small. Punjabis are the third largest group in the subcontinent at 120 million, right after Hindi and Bengali speakers. and close to 2/3 to 3/4 of the population is of upper or middle caste like brahmins, jats, rajputs, khatris, arains, gujjars, etc. Whether its from the west to east or vice versa, i'm not sure but both punjabis and pashtuns had similar origins.

Punjabis, Sindhis, Kashmiris are way closer to you guys than they are to south or east indians as you can see below. AASI is almost the same among punjabis, sindhis, and pashtuns within like 17.5-22.5% range, and the fits are very good as well. Pashtuns and Punjabis get modeled with the same populations, with almost the same percentages for each component. I really dont understand or know what to say if you still think its just SOME similarity lol. Its not just SOME relations you have with indus valley folks. genetically pashtuns are closer to indus valley folks than they are to iranians. Tajiks and other afghans are more iranian shifted i guess.

"Iranian_Persian:Average", (look at the terrible fit. Its almost 5)
"fit": 4.9731,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 75,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 24.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 0.83

"Iranian_Persian:Average", ( I used bedouin, which is arab influence. Fit is MUCH better now). Iranians have 30+% arab which is non existent among pashtuns or punjabis.
"fit": 1.2687,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 51.67,
"BedouinA": 33.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 14.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 0.83,

"Punjabi_Jat:Average",(Northwest India)
"fit": 1.8449,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 52.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
"Simulated_AASI": 22.5

"UP_Jatt:Average" (West UP, India - only 1 sample but still)
"fit": 2.4248,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 40.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 38.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 20.83

"Sindhi:Average" (Pakistan)
"fit": 1.4497,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 62.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 22.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 15

"Pashtun:Average", (Afghanistan)
"fit": 1.2829,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 56.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25.83,
"Simulated_AASI": 17.5

"Yusufzai:Average", (Pakistan)
"fit": 1.103,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 56.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 24.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 19.17

"Velamas:Average", (South India)
"fit": 1.9034,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 54.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 45,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 0.83

[Maguzanci]

Still nothing like Hollywood though, outside certain parts of the world at any rate. Anyway, culturally I'd say the secular and individualistic West is the most distinct from South Asia. Racially I am not sure - South Asians have their own distinct looks but are a hybrid of Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Australoid.

What about Latinos? After the West, would they be culturally the most distinct from South Asia? Or are they already considered part of the West?

[Maguzanci]

Culturally, I think it is Whites, Latinos and Black Americans/other New World Blacks (don't know about actual Africans).

[Mikael19]

When i meant some, i meant with most south asians outside the northwest. Us south indians dont have much to do with afghans. We get anywhere from 40-75% AASI down south depending on caste and tribe.

punjabis are right next to you guys lol with similar haplogroups... and indus valley population isnt small. Punjabis are the third largest group in the subcontinent at 120 million, right after Hindi and Bengali speakers. and close to 2/3 to 3/4 of the population is of upper or middle caste like brahmins, jats, rajputs, khatris, arains, gujjars, etc. Whether its from the west to east or vice versa, i'm not sure but both punjabis and pashtuns had similar origins.

Punjabis, Sindhis, Kashmiris are way closer to you guys than they are to south or east indians as you can see below. AASI is almost the same among punjabis, sindhis, and pashtuns within like 17.5-22.5% range, and the fits are very good as well. Pashtuns and Punjabis get modeled with the same populations, with almost the same percentages for each component. I really dont understand or know what to say if you still think its just SOME similarity lol. Its not just SOME relations you have with indus valley folks. genetically pashtuns are closer to indus valley folks than they are to iranians. Tajiks and other afghans are more iranian shifted i guess.

"Iranian_Persian:Average", (look at the terrible fit. Its almost 5)
"fit": 4.9731,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 75,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 24.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 0.83

"Iranian_Persian:Average", ( I used bedouin, which is arab influence. Fit is MUCH better now). Iranians have 30+% arab which is non existent among pashtuns or punjabis.
"fit": 1.2687,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 51.67,
"BedouinA": 33.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 14.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 0.83,

"Punjabi_Jat:Average",(Northwest India)
"fit": 1.8449,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 52.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
"Simulated_AASI": 22.5

"UP_Jatt:Average" (West UP, India - only 1 sample but still)
"fit": 2.4248,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 40.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 38.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 20.83

"Sindhi:Average" (Pakistan)
"fit": 1.4497,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 62.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 22.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 15

"Pashtun:Average", (Afghanistan)
"fit": 1.2829,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 56.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25.83,
"Simulated_AASI": 17.5

"Yusufzai:Average", (Pakistan)
"fit": 1.103,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 56.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 24.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 19.17

"Velamas:Average", (South India)
"fit": 1.9034,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 54.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 45,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 0.83

I don't buy this at all I'm sorry. Nowadays you have amautuers having an attempt at this and preaching it like it's fact ( no offense to you). Do you really think the difference between jats and pashtuns from afghanistan is 5% aasi?

Pashtun
"fit": 1.4174,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 61.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 22.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 11.67,
"Han": 4.17
This is your post form anthroscape.

FinalFlash modelled Pashtuns as 60% burusho, 20% Iran Persian and 10% Azeri dagestan.

Also, Afghan Pashtuns don't live next to punjabis, they are adjacent to other pashtun tribes from pakistan, balochis, kalash and burushos.

Afghan modelled from tajik yaghnobis and burushos

"Tajik_Yaghbobi 55.83%"
"Burusho 44.17%"

[Maguzanci]

Race wise, I think East asians are the most foreign to us. Their features are the polar opposite to most indians imo. Even black people to my eyes look more similar to east asians than most indians through factors like neotony/smooth skin, epicanthic eyefold and high cheekbones that are common among both. There is a reason why many groups in northeast india and nepal have close to zero south asian. Even california schools for example in bay area where there is a presence of both groups in abundance. south asians and east asians barely are compatible with each other in terms of mixing. They oddly enough become close friends and hangout with each other but you barely see them mixing.

Culture wise, you might be right. It maybe latinos. Ill add westerners in general so that includes white and latinos. Their familial values, aspirations, etc seem quite foreign to me. Adultery is so common in these cultures for example, kids move out from parents' households at a very young age to become independent, etc. I'm not saying one is good and the other is bad, its just that their culture seems very unique to me.

Interesting. Latinos also move out of their parents' household at a young age?

But yeah I also observed that Latinos and Whites definitely have a lot in common with one another thanks to their Christian religion, Western-oriented values (in the case of Latinos) and very sexually out of control culture including adultery being common which you also listed.

I will also add Black Americans and maybe some New World Blacks into the Western categories in this case (don't know about actual Africans). I think they also have more in common in Whites and Latinos in many things than with Asians.

[Voskos]

Spaniards and french imo.

[Maguzanci]

I think in South Asia, South India/Sri Lanka at least culturally have some more in common with SE Asia than with many places to the West of Indus to the point of genetically influencing them. Don't know about North India or the rest of South Asia.

[Thambi]

I don't buy this at all I'm sorry. Nowadays you have amautuers having an attempt at this and preaching it like it's fact ( no offense to you). Do you really think the difference between jats and pashtuns from afghanistan is 5% aasi?

Pashtun
"fit": 1.4174,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 61.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 22.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 11.67,
"Han": 4.17
This is your post form anthroscape.

FinalFlash modelled Pashtuns as 60% burusho, 20% Iran Persian and 10% Azeri dagestan.

Also, Afghan Pashtuns don't live next to punjabis, they are adjacent to other pashtun tribes from pakistan, balochis, kalash and burushos.

G25 is known to be the best calculator right now so its all up to you what you want to believe. I think the major reasons why pashtuns and punjabis look different, which they do significantly i'm not denying it at all, but the reasons mainly are environmental and slight mongoloid influence, especially among afghan pashtuns.

"Pashtun:Average", (Afghan pashtuns have Han while jats dont so instead of 17.5, now its 14.17. I forgot to add han, but anyways the difference isn't big. Pashtuns are still closer to jats than to iranians)

this is without penalty (pen=0, used for ancient populations which is the case with the components below, that other one i posted is with penalty, which is modern populations)

"Pashtun:Average" (pen = 0)
"fit": 0.6318,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 55.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25.83,
"Simulated_AASI": 14.17,
"Han": 4.17,

Punjabi_Jat:Average", (pen = 0)
"fit": 1.8029,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 52.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
"Simulated_AASI": 21.67,
"Han": 0.83,

[Mikael19]

G25 is known to be the best calculator right now so its all up to you what you want to believe. I think the major reasons why pashtuns and punjabis look different, which they do significantly i'm not denying it at all, but the reasons mainly are environmental and slight mongoloid influence, especially among afghan pashtuns.

"Pashtun:Average", (Afghan pashtuns have Han while jats dont so instead of 17.5, now its 14.17. I forgot to add han, but anyways the difference isn't big. Pashtuns are still closer to jats than to iranians)

this is without penalty (pen=0, used for ancient populations which is the case with the components below, that other one i posted is with penalty, which is modern populations)

"Pashtun:Average" (pen = 0)
"fit": 0.6318,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 55.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25.83,
"Simulated_AASI": 14.17,
"Han": 4.17,

Punjabi_Jat:Average", (pen = 0)
"fit": 1.8029,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 52.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
"Simulated_AASI": 21.67,
"Han": 0.83,

This is what YOU posted on anthroscape bro

Pashtun
"fit": 1.4174,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 61.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 22.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 11.67,
"Han": 4.17
.
Its 11 not 14. A difference between 10% is alot considering jats are the most least south Asian shifted population in South Asia.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...ul-t88416.html

And I know about the fit. But if you look closely my pashtun result and jat result have the same fit.