Classify irish actor Barry Keoghan

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Turanid

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You're linking a dna study that disagrees with what you have written. Oldest R1b-M269 which is the branch that nearly all Europeans descend from was found in Yamnaya not middle eastern and Iranian people. This is why all the R1b-M269 descended branches carries that Steppe component. The oldest R is from Siberia Ma'lta Boy. R1b-M269 is not native to Western Europe but only arrived in the Bronze Age and the people who brought it to Western Europe are Bell Beakers. These Bell Beakers replaced the populations of both Britain and Ireland by 93% (possibly more in some areas) but it was a near total population replacement. There was not much Neolithic population left in either Ireland or Britain. Nearly all of these Bell Beakers were R1b-L21.



This sounds too much like the Lebor Gabála Érenn which was fictional. We have genetics now and Irish don't show any Iberian nor North African. They show high Bell Beaker and those Bell Beakers are the ones that were the same as Dutch and British Bell Beakers. If they came via the route you say they don't show any of it in their genetics and no genetic study (including the one you posted supports that route). The Farmer population like Ballynahatty which is discussed in the linked study Neolithic and Bronze Age migration to Ireland and establishment of the insular Atlantic genome is most similar to modern day Sardinians and Iberians but not to modern day Irish and this is because Ballynahatty hasn't contributed much to the present Irish genepool whereas the men that were the Rathlins have.

Even looking at populations today you can see where they cluster. Irish would not be clustering with Dutch, Scandinavians etc if they had North African or even Iberian roots. No study supports this and you can even use models using the Global 25 which is a great tool for us novices. As I've said modern Irish aren't similar to Ballynahatty they share a lot more genes with Rathlin.

This is why that study you linked says this.

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In the paragraph above they mention this population turnover and that the modern Irish get most of their genetics with the Bronze Age Rathlin men rather than Ballynahatty.

Using G25 these are the populations that the Irish are closest to.

1 Irish:Average Scottish_Averaged Averaged 0.683
2 Irish:Average Orcadian_Averaged Averaged 0.929
3 Irish:Average English_Averaged Averaged 1.122
5 Irish:Average English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 1.334
6 Irish:Average Shetlandic_Averaged Averaged 1.39
8 Irish:Average Welsh_Averaged Averaged 1.399
11 Irish:Average Dutch_Averaged Averaged 1.589
15 Irish:Average Icelandic_Averaged Averaged 1.659
26 Irish:Average Norwegian_Averaged Averaged 1.818
154 Irish:Average Swedish_Averaged Averaged 2.701
168 Irish:Average German_Averaged Averaged 2.762
236 Irish:Average Belgian_Averaged Averaged 3.076

Quite a big gap to the next closest pops.

And then there are these two recent studies.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17124-4

https://journals.plos.org/plosgeneti...type=printable

If you know nothing at all about genetics all you have to do is look at any dna plot of look at where a population clusters and what populations are closest. This will tell you a lot. Populations are closest to people that they share genetics with and this is always the case. I can't understand how people don't grasp this simple logic.

This is Ancestry's newest population plot. Take a look where populations plot and even looking at this plot you can see where there has been genetic barriers. Mountain barriers are much more effective at stopping gene flow that water.

R1b may have clades native to Europe but it is not European, there are tons of Non-European haplgroups with clades developed in Europe,I think maybe our idea of what constitutes native European is different. There is a lot to respond to so I will go over it all and respond later. What generation of people is the plot from? If it's modern it has no real relevance, Ireland has had tons of genetics flow through it over the past 1000 years. Irish people colonized Scotland and then were colonized by the Norse, they have a different admixture than the Original Gaels would have. Not to mention Scotland has had heavy immigration from Ireland over the past 200 years especially.

[Grace O'Malley]

I’m not surprised he was cast to play an Eastern European character. He seems an odd mixture of Brünn and East Baltid.

Most of the actors are British and Irish in that. There is one Swede (Stellan Skarsgard) and a Lebanese actor (Fares Fares). All the acting is top notch.

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Looks half Korean.

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Nope

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Using G25 these are the populations that the Irish are closest to.

1 Irish:Average Scottish_Averaged Averaged 0.683
2 Irish:Average Orcadian_Averaged Averaged 0.929
3 Irish:Average English_Averaged Averaged 1.122
5 Irish:Average English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 1.334
6 Irish:Average Shetlandic_Averaged Averaged 1.39
8 Irish:Average Welsh_Averaged Averaged 1.399
11 Irish:Average Dutch_Averaged Averaged 1.589
15 Irish:Average Icelandic_Averaged Averaged 1.659
26 Irish:Average Norwegian_Averaged Averaged 1.818
154 Irish:Average Swedish_Averaged Averaged 2.701
168 Irish:Average German_Averaged Averaged 2.762
236 Irish:Average Belgian_Averaged Averaged 3.076

Quite a big gap to the next closest pops.

The French are also fairly close, even Austrian:

Irish Average - French_East:Average 3.0706
Irish Average - French:Average 3.1561
Irish Average -Austrian:Average 3.2997

As you said, this is probably due to fairly high distant Bell Beaker admixture in French and Austrians that connects them to the Irish.

[Latinus]

Nope

He does.

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[Grace O'Malley]

R1b may have clades native to Europe but it is not European, there are tons of Non-European haplgroups with clades developed in Europe,I think maybe our idea of what constitutes native European is different. There is a lot to respond to so I will go over it all and respond later. What generation of people is the plot from? If it's modern it has no real relevance, Ireland has had tons of genetics flow through it over the past 1000 years. Irish people colonized Scotland and then were colonized by the Norse, they have a different admixture than the Original Gaels would have. Not to mention Scotland has had heavy immigration from Ireland over the past 200 years especially.

But Irish are most similar to the Bronze Age Bell Beakers and the Gaels are later than them. Gaels are really just Irish and the reason they are called Gaels is because of the Goidelic language that they spoke. Who do you think were the original Gaels? There is a study that will be published next year that has genomes from all periods of Ireland so that will show what populations came to Ireland and contributed to the Irish genepool.





You can see a tree of R1b and see if clades are related. The clades that are in Western Europe are not descended from the R1b that is in the Middle East.

You can see it all here.

What generation of people is the plot from? If it's modern it has no real relevance, Ireland has had tons of genetics flow through it over the past 1000 years.

Irish population is mostly descended from Bronze Age Bell Beakers and the study you linked pointed that out and this is why it says

These findings together suggest the establishment of central attributes of the Irish genome 4,000 y ago.

The only significant genetic contributions to the Irish since that time have been Vikings, Normans and British. No other people came in any sort of numbers to Ireland.

[Grace O'Malley]

The French are also fairly close, even Austrian:

Irish Average - French_East:Average 3.0706
Irish Average - French:Average 3.1561
Irish Average -Austrian:Average 3.2997

As you said, this is probably due to fairly high distant Bell Beaker admixture in French and Austrians that connects them to the Irish.

I'm sure if Bretons and Normans were separated and on the G25 they would be even closer to the Irish and British populations. The Danes are missing from the G25 and they would also be close.

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He does.

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I am telling you he doesn't. You don't know, so don't tell me lol. Your opinion doesn't mean you're right.

[Latinus]

I am telling you he doesn't. You don't know, so don't tell me lol. Your opinion doesn't mean you're right.

He does look mixed with Korean, and I don't give a shit about your opinion.

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