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    Quote Originally Posted by Prinses View Post
    In Islam jinns can have children and can have a husband like normal people. There are good and bad jinns.

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    I don’t think you can have contact with them. Maybe through dreams but if you try to contact dead people in real life you’re most likely to contact bad spirits.
    Islam you is wrong on this. ALL "djinns" are evil spirits and/or fallen angels, who have fallen from the grace of God, kicked out of heaven. Some of them may pretend to be "good" for a while, but they are deceptive and can absolutely not be trusted!
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    No. Better not be fooled because none of these are your loved ones - they are demons masquerading as them. Your loved ones are in purgatory and can't reach you. You will see then when your time is there.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    I don't believe in supernatural or paranormal things - or really anything without some evidence, so I certainly do not believe I can contact the dead...
    These things really do exist. I know some people find it hard to believe, perhaps because they have not yet experienced any of it. But believe me, once you have, you won't be asking for anyone to provide "evidence" for it, because you'll know first hand

    Demons mostly attempt to remain hidden and unknown to people, especially unbelievers, because otherwise people are less likely to be atheists. And they prefer people to remain atheists because it means upon those people's deaths they can easily be snatched by the demons to hell, they won't have God's protection.
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    Ghost stories are the most boring section of all paranormal sites, including voodoo, and other tribal and ancestral superstitions. I do like humanoid horrors and omen of death, metamorphs of known animal or human stuff, it is a kind of psychological thrill, especially mysterious phenomena of large scale, which is my favorite.

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    Better to stay away from such things.

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    No. I believe what Christianity says on this - you can't contact dead people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    What do you think why they are so evil? I mean do you think they are evil among themselves or just towards the humans? Is it because they are extremely Wicked?
    Do you think they have a children, are they evil toward their children etc..
    I don't know as to the reasons. But they are cast out of the glory of God, they are not allowed in heaven.
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    Of course not. People have a hard time understanding that everything what makes us human, including our mental abilities, is ultimately nothing more than a sophisticated chemistry. There is no 'life force' or anything like that and our bodies are not biomechanical machines controlled by anything we could call 'spirit'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    What do you think why they are so evil? I mean do you think they are evil among themselves or just towards the humans? Is it because they are extremely Wicked?
    Do you think they have a children, are they evil toward their children etc..
    Demons are evil because they are fallen angels. One Biblical interpretation (of The Book of Revelation) is that third of the angels fell. But not all spiritual beings are bad however, those who obey God work for God. There is just no need to get in contact with them, God is already working through good beings as he wants. This universe is already a projection of God's spiritual dimension as well, we are spiritual beings in bodies as well. There is no need to ask for shamans or stupid occult games for guidance. God knows what is best for us. If we follow God, He will guide us towards the renaissance, peace and love. If we break his commandments and reject his love, we will keep on feeding our selfish, lustful hedonistic side.

    In Christianity there is clearly a devil. In Judaism there are angels (good and negative), but usually no satan. Satan is seen as some negative force God has created. Sometimes (Jews can have different opinions on things as well and might even believe in a reincarnation which was probably developed by Kabbalists in the Middle Ages) angels are just a projection of God's will and not literal beings. Even Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism has a lot of mentions of angelic beings so it's probably just some more modern interpretation rejecting Enochian writings and other older books. Conservative Judaism has a concept of literal evil.

    In Islam Iblis/ Shaytan just takes an advantage of human weakness. He is not completely evil as he is in Christianity, which is interesting (i didn't know this). Maybe it's related to the fact that human beings actually had to leave the Garden of Eden sooner or later (this is how Muslims see this). But Iblis is not trying to take God's throne here which is strange. In Christianity, Devil actually wants to become God/ take His place, never succeeding even when God literally comes down on the earth as Jesus and is tempted.

    Here is a video depicting Christian views on this. A very good video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaris View Post
    Of course not. People have a hard time understanding that everything what makes us human, including our mental abilities, is ultimately nothing more than a sophisticated chemistry. There is no 'life force' or anything like that and our bodies are not biomechanical machines controlled by anything we could call 'spirit'.
    What do you mean there is no life force? This is a very strange claim. You concentrate on "already living life and organisms" too much. Think for a second about what is behind those things. You need laws of nature, you need energy, you need a right galaxy and a right planet for life to rise up. There is nothing without energy and laws of nature. God is behind the energy and he actually created matter and energy and even space time. Even space and time didn't exist before the Big Bang (God creates the universe outside the space time in the Bible). Some might call the Big Bang a very materialistic concept where something very interesting becomes universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_becomes_the_Universe But this is not the whole truth. God is beyond the space and time. He is behind all the symmetries and energy we have. There is nothing without those things and all things are based on something more spiritual and less materialistic if you look at it. God has always existed before, he still does and he will always be.

    Now some might try to argue that there are multiple universes even connected to each other (this does not increase the chance of right laws popping out of nothing). In fact there is zero proof for that. And even if it was a good theory (of all wild theories) it wouldn't tell us why things started to exist in a right way and the laws of nature (they never change) happened to be perfect right from the start. Even if we start believing in multiple universes (again zero proof for that since space time didn't even exist at first), it just pushes the question "how" further. How do we have anything is the question? For non believers there is only multiverse and simulation theories left. But again they just push the whole thing further.

    So you are basically just looking at already working life and organism and saying "hey it all works perfectly there is nothing beyond that". But there is everything beyond that.
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