Are Polesians purest Slavs?

[Alenka]

Pre-Slavic type could be associated with I2a-Din hunter-gatherers.

I suppose in the Bronze Age ancestors of Slavic I2a subclades were in Polesie.

Ancestors of Slavic subclades of R1a could be somewhere else at that time.

Yes. At that time R1a was still in Arctic tundra.

[Laag]

So it is basically an alpine?

Well, as always in anthropology various authors can have different views. For example Coon included it in his Neo Danubian type.

PRE-SLAVIC. Czekanowski’s name for the type called in this work Neo-Danubian.

[Peterski]

They didn't?

Not in high enough quality.

And the 3rd option, Jordanes accounts written 150 years after the Gothic migration are not credible. Considering he said Goths came from "Gothiscandza" and yet their DNA shows north-west German/Dutch.

Where did you take this info from? There are no any Gothic ancient DNA samples officially published yet.

But according to various leaks, they were like Northern Danes and Southern Swedes (Jutland Iron Age):



Jordanes was 100% credible.

[War Chef]

Not in high enough quality.



Where did you take this info from? There are no any Gothic ancient DNA samples officially published yet.

But according to various leaks, they were like Northern Danes and Southern Swedes (Jutland Iron Age):



Jordanes was 100% credible.

Visigoth Samples, try them out yourself:

BA8274765 (Visigoth I12031) [-] Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD)
LK3037074 (Visigoth I12034) [-] Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD)
KH6396435 (Visigoth I12163) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD)
YK2572384 (Visigoth I12162) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona
EA3865424 (Visigoth I12032) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD)



Eurogenes K15 sample for 1 of them (I'm too lazy to do all):

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 5.637678
2 South_Dutch @ 9.765050
3 French @ 10.490958
4 North_German @ 12.457056
5 Southwest_English @ 13.245563
6 Southeast_English @ 13.550814
7 Danish @ 13.682643
8 North_Dutch @ 13.726155
9 East_German @ 14.005826
10 Norwegian @ 14.863341
11 Hungarian @ 14.885032
12 Swedish @ 15.250495
13 Irish @ 15.407882
14 West_Scottish @ 15.636147
15 Orcadian @ 15.804193
16 Serbian @ 15.846081
17 Austrian @ 16.139654
18 West_Norwegian @ 16.378786
19 North_Swedish @ 16.539251
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.513458

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +50% West_German @ 5.637678


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% South_Italian +25% West_German @ 3.026695


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cyprian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.112674
2 Cyprian + Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.257430
3 Cyprian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.298758
4 Italian_Jewish + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.390142
5 Cyprian + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 2.397161
6 Cyprian + North_Dutch + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.504096
7 Italian_Jewish + Norwegian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.520426
8 South_Italian + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.525777
9 Cyprian + Danish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.598710
10 Cyprian + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.620596
11 Sephardic_Jewish + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.624099
12 Cyprian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.647964
13 Norwegian + South_Italian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.669174
14 Cyprian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.671223
15 Italian_Jewish + Swedish + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.704656
16 Cyprian + Southeast_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.708247
17 Cyprian + Orcadian + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.712868
18 Cyprian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 2.737288
19 Central_Greek + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.786638
20 Algerian_Jewish + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.817639

[Peterski]

Visigoth Samples, try them out yourself

I have seen the results of those samples and I also uploaded them to GEDmatch.

500 years and 4000 kilometers after leaving Gothiscandza, come on... They are mixed with a lot of other groups.

[Ülev]

b.u.m.p.

[Corporate_Demolisher]

Well "Slav" is a linguistic group not an ethnic group, although you could use the term "ethnolinguistic".

Many West Slavs can look very Germanic, especially Czechs/Slovenes/Poles. There are certain faces that you find in Eastern Balkans or ex-USSR states that would stick out in Central Europe.

[cass]

^^^ Good point. Polesie has a lot of Pre-Slavic type, so it had to be inhabited by other people before Slavs. Pomerania has less of it.

I suppose that the Proto-Slavic homeland was in fact Pomeranian Culture (and Polesie was inhabited by some Pre-Slavic population):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_culture

Tollense was probably a battle between Proto-Slavs (Lusatian Culture, Pomeranian branch) vs. Proto-Germans (Nordic & Ems-Weser):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll...ey_battlefield



Why aren't these Germans publishing ancient DNA samples from Tollense battle already?

Interesting, Pre-Slavic phenotype and it's location:

http://humanphenotypes.net/PreSlavic.html

This site is pure idiocy.



PRE so BEFORE
Its Czekanowski’s old name for “Ofnet like” type, the most frequent in France, Hungary and Italy.