Are Polesians purest Slavs?

[Cumansky]

No, because many Poleshuks resettled from Carpathian region of Ukraine after WWII, and Carpathian is very mixed place alot of Jews lived there and assimilated those Poleshuks.

[Peterski]

Interesting, Pre-Slavic phenotype and it's location:

http://humanphenotypes.net/PreSlavic.html

^^^ Good point. Polesie has a lot of Pre-Slavic type, so it had to be inhabited by other people before Slavs. Pomerania has less of it.

I suppose that the Proto-Slavic homeland was in fact Pomeranian Culture (and Polesie was inhabited by some Pre-Slavic population):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_culture

Tollense was probably a battle between Proto-Slavs (Lusatian Culture, Pomeranian branch) vs. Proto-Germans (Nordic & Ems-Weser):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll...ey_battlefield



Why aren't these Germans publishing ancient DNA samples from Tollense battle already?

[Peterski]

Pre-Slavic type could be associated with I2a-Din hunter-gatherers.

I suppose in the Bronze Age ancestors of Slavic I2a subclades were in Polesie.

Ancestors of Slavic subclades of R1a could be somewhere else at that time.

[War Chef]

^^^ Good point. Polesie has a lot of Pre-Slavic type, so it had to be inhabited by other people before Slavs. Pomerania has less of it.

I suppose that the Proto-Slavic homeland was in fact Pomeranian Culture (and Polesie was inhabited by some Pre-Slavic population):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_culture

Tollense was probably a battle between Proto-Slavs (Lusatian Culture, Pomeranian branch) vs. Proto-Germans (Nordic & Ems-Weser):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll...ey_battlefield

Lusatian-Pomeranian-Przeworsk Cultural complex disappeared with the arrival of the Huns. They ended up in Germany, and some as far as Spain & North Africa. I believe it is Lusatian culture who was "something different", not Slavs.

[Cumansky]

Pre-Slavic type could be associated with I2a-Din hunter-gatherers.

I suppose in the Bronze Age ancestors of Slavic I2a were in Polesie.

Ancestors of Slavic subclades of R1a could be somewhere else at that time.

Oldest R1A is in Ukraine, that proves your second point wrong.

[War Chef]

Lusatian-Pomeranian-Przeworsk Cultural complex disappeared with the arrival of the Huns. They ended up in Germany, and some as far as Spain & North Africa. I believe it is Lusatian culture who was "something different", not Slavs.

Bump for edit.

[Peterski]

Lusatian (Pomeranian) Culture disappeared with the arrival of the Huns.

No, Lusatian/Pomeranian was destroyed by expanding Jastorf and Nordic Iron Age.

Huns were many centuries later.

[Peterski]

Oldest R1A is in Ukraine, that proves your second point wrong.

R1a is from Ukrainian Steppe, not from North Ukrainian Forest Zone.

Globular Amphora culture in Ukraine were I2 and Trypillian culture in Ukraine had typical Neolithic haplos (G2a, E1b, etc.).

But I'm talking about hunter-gatherers in Polesie. Neolithic Farmers of Anatolian extraction never colonized Polesie or Belarus.

The farthest Neolithic Farmers (GAC/Trypillians) ever got was Dnieper river in the south-east, Pripyat river and Podlachia (today North-East Poland) in the north-east. They did not settle in Polesie.

[War Chef]

No, Lusatian/Pomeranian was destroyed by expanding Jastorf and Nordic Iron Age.

Huns were many centuries later.

Exactly the point. Poland in Jesus time was full of Wielbark culture with no Slavs in sight. The Slavs came from east.
The Lusatian-Pomeranian-Przeworsk Cultural complex is definitely mysterious but I don't think they were Slavs.

[Cumansky]

Neolithic Farmers of Anatolian extraction never colonized Polesie or Belarus.

Neolithic Farmers got in Polesia and Belarus before and after the war, we don't need to look at ancient artifacts to know the answer of this. You talking about Pale of Settlement right now.