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    Al-Andalus It only exists in the history books.







    Andalucía.


    Andalusia is a Spanish autonomous community recognized as a historical nationality for its Statute of Autonomy, 3 composed of the provinces of Almería, Cádiz, Córdoba, Granada, Huelva, Jaén, Málaga and Sevilla. Its capital is Seville, headquarters of the Junta de Andalucía. The seat of the Superior Court of Justice of Andalusia is in Granada.

    It is the most populous autonomous community in the country (8 384 408 inhabitants in 2018) 4 and the second largest (87 268 km²) - after Castilla y León. It is located south of the Iberian Peninsula; limiting to the west with Portugal, to the north with the autonomous communities of Extremadura and Castilla-La Mancha, to the east with the Region of Murcia and to the south with the Atlantic Ocean, the Mediterranean Sea and Gibraltar. Through the Strait of Gibraltar, separated by 14 km in its narrowest part, are Morocco and Ceuta on the African continent. In 1981 it was established as an autonomous community, under the provisions of article two of the Spanish Constitution of 1978, which recognizes and guarantees the right to autonomy of Spanish nationalities and regions. The process of political autonomy was carried out through the restrictive procedure expressed in article 151 of the Constitution, which makes Andalusia the only Spanish community that accessed autonomy through said procedure. In the preamble of the Statute of Autonomy of Andalusia of 2007 it is said verbatim that:









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    Do not confuse Al-Andalus with Andalusia. Do not even think that we Andalusians feel heirs of Al-Andalus.
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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post

    Do not confuse Al-Andalus with Andalusia. Do not even think that we Andalusians feel heirs of Al-Andalus.
    You may not be a heir of Al-Andalus, but the black admixture you carry likely comes from them. I've seen your genetic results and you're around 3% black on GEDmatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    You may not be a heir of Al-Andalus, but the black admixture you carry likely comes from them. I've seen your genetic results and you're around 3% black on GEDmatch.
    There are hundreds of results of mine. Put the link is more serious. And so you explain to me my 3% black, I will be delighted.

    On this page I usually publish my results. I will be happy to advise you.

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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
    There are hundreds of results of mine. Put the link is more serious. And so you explain to me my 3% black, I will be delighted.

    On this page I usually publish my results. I will be happy to advise you.

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    More than 3% East African actually. I've seen your results in other calculators as well, in K15 and K13 you score Northeast African and Red_Sea, both of these components carry Black admixture. You're probably near 4% Black in reality.

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    Do you think that East Africa is being brought from Al-Andalus? It could be even older, but some expert could clarify it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
    Do you think that East Africa is being brought from Al-Andalus? It could be even older, but some expert could clarify it better.
    I don't know, really. It could be Ibero-Maurusian as well and it would make it very old. But we know one thing for sure: Celtiberian samples we have don't have North African, Northeast African or SSA so modern Iberians acquired it later.

    A good chunk of Spanish and Portuguese GEDmatch results with exception of Basques and some Catalonians show this kind of admixture. So it's probably a post-Neolithic admixture. I don't know how modern Iberians acquired Ibero-Maurusian admixture (Ibero-Maurusians are an ancient culture from North Africa), it's still up to debate.

    Anyway most of the modern Spanish and Portuguese genome is heavily Western European shifted so it's not like Iberians are heavily mixed with North Africans or something.
    The East African and West African (i.e. SSA) in some Iberians could be some kind of very old stuff. We need more ancient samples to know that.

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    I have remembered that in Yordnaportal I get these curious results.


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    rs6586395AC
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    rs3825663AA
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    rs8075781AA
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    rs3768641CC
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    rs6061779GG
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    rs10472790TT
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    rs1871332AA
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    rs6875659GG
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    rs1399090CC
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    rs10777084TT
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    rs2598202CC
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    rs6464749AA
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    rs6601548TT
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    rs12347078AA
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    rs7865808GG
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    This variant is present in Native American and East Asian people. It is not present in Africans and Europeans, therefore it can be used to identify Native American ancestry or track Mongolian influences in Europe and West Asia.
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    rs1512883TC
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    rs4738296AA
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    rs11150606TT
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    rs12566631
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    Some expert with these markers can tell me what ethnicity, people, civilization was the black and the oriental, I want to see photos, what an illusion, I am excited.
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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    And here the screenshots of my YourdnaPortal African and Asian:



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    And in another order of things and returning to the subject of the thread whose title is confusing and can lead to confusion to foreign lords I hope it has become clear that Al-Andalus has been in the history books that was the name that the Arabs gave to The Iberian Peninsula So for modern Andalusians when someone tells us about the excellence and wonders of Al-Andalus, we don't feel alluded in any way or feel that we are heirs of Al-Andalus or that they are talking along a line from Al-Andalus to Andalusia in a historical line continued and recognizable to us because it is not so. For us, Al-Andalus occupied 95% of the Iberian peninsula, and in no way recognized it symmetrically with our land: Andalucía 8 provinces. Unless it is a socialist or communist Andalusian then it is possible to pretend and take it for granted. My observation is exempt from any type of xenophobia e.t.c. and stick to reality and truth.

    Thank you and best regards, have a good Sunday morning.
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    I just want to point that "East Africa" doesn´t mean black, subsaharian black (SSA), or not at least what we all understand as black.

    East Africans (North Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, parts of Kenia and Tanzania) doesn´t belong to the black race, but to the hamite one, a dark caucasoid group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamites

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