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Thread: Al-Andalus no dejó rastro en la genética del sur de España

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffmannn View Post
    I just want to point that "East Africa" doesn´t mean black, subsaharian black (SSA), or not at least what we all understand as black.

    East Africans (North Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, parts of Kenia and Tanzania) doesn´t belong to the black race, but to the hamite one, a dark caucasoid group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamites
    It's not clear what exactly is the East African component in GEDmatch but all evidence indicates that it is in fact ''black/SSA''. The Caucasoid part of East Africans don't come as Northeast African in the calcs but as Southwest Asian, East Med, Red Sea (and Red Sea component also has SSA affinities) etc. Modern East Africans are a mix of Arabian-like populations and SSA/Bantu-like populations.

    North Africans score around 10% of Northeast African and 10% of Sub-Saharan, everyone says in these forums that they are 20% SSA on average, if Northeast African is Caucasoid then they would be only 10% Sub-Saharan.

    Anyway, genetics is disproving concepts like ''Caucasoid'', ''Negroid'' and ''Mongoloid''. These are outdated terms, most ''races'' out there are ancient mixes between different groups. Even Sub-Saharan Africans have some ancient West Eurasian (i.e. ''Caucasoid'') type of admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    You may not be a heir of Al-Andalus, but the black admixture you carry likely comes from them. I've seen your genetic results and you're around 3% black on GEDmatch.
    In GEDmatch a very good percentage of Europeans score some SSA.

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    It didn't do anything. Good thread.

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    Viéndolo ahora en el tiempo no sé ni para qué le hice caso a ese idiota, veo además que está baneado.
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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Viéndolo ahora en el tiempo no sé ni para qué le hice caso a ese idiota, veo además que está baneado.

    Se va a comparar con un español auténtico la mierda esa. Hasta ahí podíamos llegar.
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    Porque Galicia saca más aporte MENA que en otros lados de España? (Según lo que he leído)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloGuys View Post
    Porque Galicia saca más aporte MENA que en otros lados de España? (Según lo que he leído)
    Por ahora, es un misterio, no se le puede creer a nadie de este foro el porque Galicia, junto a Portugal, Extremadura y CyL son los que marcan entre un 5% y 6% de "MENA", pues he tratado de informarme con especialistas y genetistas del google, y no hay informacion especifica sobre ello, pero no te creas, un 5~6% sigue siendo poco, dependiendo de la calculadora yo marco entre un 4% a un 8%, y para mi eso no es nada en comparacion al resto de mi genetica, al menos para mi.

    Las teoria que yo actualmente manejo del porque este porcentaje, y sobretodo con los picos en estas zonas, es porque los fenicios y cartaginenses, si se lograron integrar en la sociedad iberica, desde el Sur. Con la invasion islamica, estos fueron igual de empujados junto a celtas, iberos, visigodos y uno que otro remanente romano hasta el Norte, incluido por supuesto Galicia, donde aqui pudieron encontrar un refugio comun. Habra sido que fueron mas los que tenian una fuerte ancestria cartaginense o fenicia/punica, los que llegaron a Galicia, y al reconquistar y repoblar la peninsula, pues Portugal, Extremadura y Leon, tendrian el mismo % de esta ancestria debido a que fueron principalmente los gallegos los que repoblaron estas zonas.

    Puedo estar mas equivocado que nadie, pero es la teoria que manejo desde el punto de vista de los numeros.

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    ¿Rocinante está baneado? No sé quién era ya que llevaba poco tiempo, pero me había llamado la atención el nik ya que se trata del caballo más famoso de España.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
    ¿Rocinante está baneado? No sé quién era ya que llevaba poco tiempo, pero me había llamado la atención el nik ya que se trata del caballo más famoso de España.
    Antes su nombre era Celtíbero Itálico.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleks Norbert View Post
    No soy científico pero estoy segurísimo que el sur de España tiene fuerte influencia arábica. Aproximadamente 700 años de control árabe en Andalucía, con una fuerte presencia en la arquitectura, cultura, idioma, genética, arte...en Andalucía ¿y ahora sale un estudio que desmiente la sangre árabe en el sur?
    Me parece poco fiable, quizás sea así si solo lo ha comparado con países europeos que eran del imperio romano o del otomano, ambos imperios contaban con una gran mezcla entre árabes y europeos del sur.
    Deja de decir gilipolleces, anda. Todo lo que dices son mentiras y/o conjeturas.

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