Human Development Index for European Regions

[Aldaris]

Lmao, nice try. As anyone who knows anything about economics already knows, PPP/PPS uses purchasing power parity among citizens, not a total country's GDP divided by population. PPP adjusts for inflation, deflation, differences among prices in countries, taxes, etc. It's a world market, not a domestic one, PPP is not a measure of how rich a country is in comparison to the world. Inflation of prices, currency, prices on goods are different everywhere in the world. It's cheaper to buy a TV or alcohol in eastern Europe, Thailand or Africa than in Norway, this is extremely common knowledge.

According to your logic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia are almost as rich as Italy/Spain and straight up richer than Portugal. Everyone knows that is not the case at all, Spain/Italy are atleast 3 times richer than those countries and Portugal twice as rich on the world market. People in Estonia may have more spare money to buy basic goods like food than the Portuguese, but Portugal as a nation is richer per capita, Portuguese citizens, businesses and the government bring in more tax and import/export revenue. PPP is not an indicator of a nation's wealth, nominal GDP is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity

What I am speaking about is a relative wealth of an average citizen in his own region, not the whole world. I'd argue, that this is the only relevant thing. Yes, maybe a German in Basque country, assuming he'd receive a German sallary, would most likely could afford more than a Basque in the same situation, but what benefit does the said German have in Germany, if the Basque can afford more and live a more quality life, with regards to relative wealth only? As for your point about nominal GDP, pure market value of goods and services produced by a nation say nothing about the ultimate nation's wealth. Unless you are willing to say that India and Brazil are 'wealthy nations'.

[GiCa]

1. HDI is not wealth, it's only one factor out of like 5+, nominal GDP per capita best measures wealth.

2. That's not a myth. Almost everyone knows the best regions of Spain and N. Italy are richer than east Germany, I haven't seen one person claim otherwise.

What in the world are you even looking at? Scandinavian data isn't even there. Even when looking at the OP's post, that is simply wrong. S. Europe has inflated HDI because you guys live longer, Mediterannean diet and less drinking(literally, LE is one of the factors of HDI).

From Germanic regions outside of East Germany, there are only 7(out of 74)poorer than Basque country, and 26(out of 112) if you count England, but England overall is richer than Basque country. The number only slightly rises if you compare to Madrid, but capitals should only be compared to other capitals.

Madrid: 33.8k
Berlin: 37.9k(64.7k for Germany's richest big city, Hamburg)
Brussels: 65k
Copenhagen: 65.9k
Amsterdam: 56.3k
Wien: 50k
Stockholm: 64.7k
London: 62.8k

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/docume...6-cc6665909c80

Not to mention this is ignoring stuff like government debt(which does increase GDP and spending), of which Spain has much more of than all Germanic countries, and the amount of minorities, of which Spain has the least of.

At most you can say it doesn't follow genetics that Basque country is richer than a lot of France and England, but again, as a whole, France and England are still richer than Basque country, let alone Spain as a whole. I'm not even calling Spain a shithole, it is a first world, extremely developed country(although I don't consider Southern Italy/Greece to be first world), and imo after adjusting for debt northern Iberia is probably richer than N. Italy, but get your facts straight.

As for GDP per Capita, so by pure economic production, LOMBARDY is the richest region in what is considered south Europe, and EMILIA ROMAGNA is the richest region under parallel 45 in eueope

Have a look here

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...for-EU-regions

[Peterski]

Polish regions with HDI in 1990 and 2017:

https://globaldatalab.org/shdi/shdi/

Ranked by HDI in 1990:

Region 1990 2017
1. Mazowieckie 0.745 0.913
2. Malopolskie 0.719 0.879
3. Wielkopolskie 0.715 0.872
4. Dolnoslaskie 0.714 0.876
5. Pomorskie 0.713 0.868
Total 0.713 0.865
6. Slaskie 0.709 0.860
7. Lodzkie 0.704 0.853
8. Kujawsko-Pomorskie 0.696 0.843
9. Opolskie 0.696 0.841
10. Podlaskie 0.696 0.841
11. Zachodniopomorskie 0.695 0.840
12. Lubelskie 0.694 0.842
13. Swietokrzyskie 0.694 0.836
14. Podkarpackie 0.692 0.841
15. Lubuskie 0.688 0.829
16. Warminsko-Mazurskie 0.682 0.821

Ranked by HDI in 2017:

Region 1990 2017
1. Mazowieckie 0.745 0.913
2. Malopolskie 0.719 0.879
3. Dolnoslaskie 0.714 0.876
4. Wielkopolskie 0.715 0.872
5. Pomorskie 0.713 0.868
Total 0.713 0.865
6. Slaskie 0.709 0.860
7. Lodzkie 0.704 0.853
8. Kujawsko-Pomorskie 0.696 0.843
9. Lubelskie 0.694 0.842
10. Opolskie 0.696 0.841
11. Podkarpackie 0.692 0.841
12. Podlaskie 0.696 0.841
13. Zachodniopomorskie 0.695 0.840
14. Swietokrzyskie 0.694 0.836
15. Lubuskie 0.688 0.829
16. Warminsko-Mazurskie 0.682 0.821

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Order is pretty much the same, exceptions are Podkarpackie which jumped from 14th to 11th and Lubelskie from 12th to 9th.

[Universe]

I don't belive in GDP/capita. According to GDP/capita, the world is much richer than it was decades ago, however studies show current young adults are poorer than their parents were at the same age: https://www2.deloitte.com/global/en/...ialsurvey.html

[Cristiano viejo]

Southern Italy isn't a country though but a geographical region...

My question is: do you really know what means "third world".

N.Italy is and will always be richer than whole Spain due to many factors and that's an undeniable fact. Milan and smaller cities in the Alpine Lombardy have recently been compared to the best Swiss cities in terms of HDI and wealth.

Funny that you remark South Italy is not a country and one sentence below you compare North Italy with whole Spain, as if it was a country

[MinervaItalica]

Funny that you remark South Italy is not a country and one sentence below you compare North Italy with whole Spain, as if it was a country

I know ok? Mine was just a comparison. It was that user ShitphobianPussyan who pulled up this N. Italy, S. Italy, N. Spain shit.

Not that change much though, even if we compare the two whole countries.
Italy is the 8th economic power in the world and 3rd in Europe.

[Cristiano viejo]

I know ok? Mine was just a comparison. It was that user ShitphobianPussyan who pulled up this N. Italy, S. Italy, N. Spain shit.

Not that change much though, even if we compare the two whole countries.
Italy is the 8th economic power in the world and 3rd in Europe.

It changes and a lot. Currently Spain overcomes Italy economically in many fields.