Are Northern Macedonians mostly of Bulgarian origin?

[Aspar]

Still you are closer to Greeks than N. Macedonian average. You got Greek_Thessaly on the second place on Eurogenes, and Shiptars from Kosovo on puntDNAL!

Aromanians can got Bulgarians on the first place.

This is K13 Eurogenes of Aromanian who is from Macedonia (Bitola area) and southern Albania.



^^^^^^
Quite similar like you. He is slightly more Slavic influenced than you, I would say.

I am closer to Greeks than the average because I am from the South-East...
I have a lot of kite from Macedonians and those from the South are closer to Greeks and has nothing to do with Vlach influence...
If it's a Vlach influence I should be closer to Romanians like this Aromanian from Bitola....

[Aspar]

Where do you plot on k15?

Just slightly bellow the Bulgarian square.

[Pribislav]

Just slightly bellow the Bulgarian square.

This means your Bulgarian roots? This is singal for voting YES on this thread?

[Aspar]

This means your Bulgarian roots? This is singal for voting YES on this thread?

It's not that simple...
There are differences as well.

Maybe the Bulgarians have Macedonian and Thracian roots?

Most Macedonians I know don't have problem admitting they are very similar to Bulgarians, they have problem with the name that comes from the asiatic Bulgars...

[Pribislav]

It's not that simple...
There are differences as well.

Maybe the Bulgarians have Macedonian and Thracian roots?

Most Macedonians I know don't have problem admitting they are very similar to Bulgarians, they have problem with the name that comes from the asiatic Bulgars...

I have seen many times on youtube comment that Macedonians call Bulgarians Tatars, Turks, Turko-Mongols, Tataro-Gypsies etc. On the other hand Bulgarians always claim Bulgarian origin of Macedonians. Bulgarians say Macedonians are brainwashed Bulgarians by Tito's communist propaganda and by Serbian propaganda before Tito. Bulgarians want to convince Macedonians in their Bulgarian origin.
Relation between Bulgarians and Macedonians is similar like relation between Serbs and Montenegrins.

Hipothetically if Bulgaria change name in lets say Thrace, do you think in that case Macedonians would not dislake them?
I know change name of Bulgaria is imopossible. Name Bulgaria exist in the Balkan since 680, and in the middle age Bulgaria had glorious days. Bulgarians are related with Thracians only genetically, and that is not enough.

[Vožd]

They are more Slavs than Bulgarians are.
By origin they are mixature of Slavs and Vlachs, but its hard to say what Slavs exactly.
Culturally they are close to Bulgarians and south Serbians.

[Aspar]

They are more Slavs than Bulgarians are.
By origin they are mixature of Slavs and Vlachs, but its hard to say what Slavs exactly.
Culturally they are close to Bulgarians and south Serbians.

How come we are mixture of Slavs and Vlachs when the Vlachs themselves are heavily Slavic??

You are talking nonsense...

How come also that we are more Slavic than the Bulgarians, mind explaining??

[Aspar]

Macedonian "Greeks" plot with us...

[pulstar]

How come we are mixture of Slavs and Vlachs when the Vlachs themselves are heavily Slavic??

You are talking nonsense...

How come also that we are more Slavic than the Bulgarians, mind explaining??

But southern areas of N. Macedonia incorporated many Christians, mostly of Vlachs origins, who moved from Epirus (current day northwestern Greece and southern Albania) after they were continuously prosecuted by Ottoman beys since 17th century up to 20th, so he has some point.

[Dick]

I am not closer to Greeks, who told you that??

My Eurogenes K13:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.31
2 Greek_Thessaly 6
3 Romanian 6.07
4 Serbian 10.02
5 Tuscan 12.4
6 Italian_Abruzzo 12.58
7 Central_Greek 12.86
8 West_Sicilian 13.87
9 East_Sicilian 13.93
10 North_Italian 14.5
11 Ashkenazi 15.53
12 Moldavian 15.89
13 South_Italian 17.13
14 Hungarian 18.23
15 Croatian 18.71
16 Austrian 20.57
17 Portuguese 20.98
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.71
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.74
20 French 21.95


puntDNAL K13:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.38
2 Kosovar 4.42
3 Macedonian 4.49
4 Albanian 4.91
5 Greek_Thessaly 5.48
6 Romanian 6.01
7 Montenegrin 6.47
8 Italian_Tuscan 6.92
9 Serbian 9
10 Greek_Central 9.68
11 Italian_Abruzzo 10.88
12 Italian_Bergamo 10.98
13 Bosnian 12.49
14 Moldavian 14.49
15 Ashkenazy_Jew 14.5
16 Croatian 14.52
17 Italian_Sicilian 15.75
18 Spaniard 15.81
19 French 16.37
20 Hungarian 17.16

Take some of these calculators with a grain of salt. Some samples are probably not what they seem to be. The Greek_Thessaly sample might be "Slavic" admixed or even a Slavovlach hence your close distance to it in the first place. Bosniensis for example believes that he is half Ukrainian half Greek but it dosnt work that way.