Illyrian haplogroup...

[Drawing-slim]

Your dealing with something extremely hard to bring to light. What we can say though with most certainty is that markers carried by the Gheg Albanian highlanders today are derived from the Illyrians be they what they may. You would need a lot of resources and have to undertake a Coon-like expedition to the mountains to take genetic samples and accompanying each one corresponding clan histories and cross checkings to even begin to produce definitive theories. The Ghegs though are an ideal people for such an undertaking I believe for the same reasons they were for an anthropological field study, their isolation and uniqueness.

Ancient Greek loan words should be a lot more than they are in Albanian. In fact northern Albania would have been an ideal place to preserve Hellenism.

I agree with this. It would be interesting to see.
According to Coon though in the mountains of gehgnia not a single soul lived there prior 2000-2500. So Illyrians came from all directions finding refuge in the Rocky Mountains of today ghegnia region.

[Mucius Scaevola]

Proto-Illyrians were probably R1b, they were invaders which came from central Europe in 12th century BC.

Proto-Illyrians assimiletted some native naolitic people in the Balkans (E-V13 and J2b).

E-V13 was not real Illyrian haplogroup, E-V13 was Pelasgian haplogruop, but some Pelqasgians are assimilatted by Illyrians R1b invaders from north, also most of the Pelasgians were helenized by proto-Greeks.

[CommonSense]

R1b was Thraco-Illyrian. The original, pre-Indoeuropean, Balkan people were E-V13 and J2b.

[HELLBANIAN]

R1b was Thraco-Illyrian. The original, pre-Indoeuropean, Balkan people were E-V13 and J2b.

J2b2 L283 was most likely IE.

[Aspar]

R1b was Thraco-Illyrian. The original, pre-Indoeuropean, Balkan people were E-V13 and J2b.

There is no evidence for that...
In fact if you look at y-full tree and the DNA projects of FTDNA, you will find that some important subclades of E-V13, e-cts9320 for example, are so widespread in Europe and have MRCA of only around 2800 ybp.
No Balkan group could have carried it all around Europe, but this suggests a spread from Central Europe and some possible cultures in relation with it, like Urnfield culture, Hallstatt culture, La Tene culture...
Don't forget that we still don't have bronze age E-V13 sample from the Balkans but we have J2a from Greece and J2b and R1b from bronze age Dalmatia.
We do have a Balkan iron age e-m78 sample from a Thracian though.
Of course, some older branches of E-V13 could have been present in the Balkans during bronze age but most of it have came during iron age I think.

[CommonSense]

There is no evidence for that...
In fact if you look at y-full tree and the DNA projects of FTDNA, you will find that some important subclades of E-V13, e-cts9320 for example, are so widespread in Europe and have MRCA of only around 2800 ybp.
No Balkan group could have carried it all around Europe, but this suggests a spread from Central Europe and some possible cultures in relation with it, like Urnfield culture, Hallstatt culture, La Tene culture...
Don't forget that we still don't have bronze age E-V13 sample from the Balkans but we have J2a from Greece and J2b and R1b from bronze age Dalmatia.
We do have a Balkan iron age e-m78 sample from a Thracian though.
Of course, some older branches of E-V13 could have been present in the Balkans during bronze age but most of it have came during iron age I think.

E-V13 spread from the Middle East and West Asia through the Balkans and then across Europe as the various people continued to migrate. R1a and R1b were the haplogroups of the steppe people who spread the Indo-European languages. Of course they probably already assimilated some other haplogroups, including, E-V13 before spreading across Eurasia, but those two were definitely predominant.

[CommonSense]

What I'm trying to say is, yes it's possible that the Illyrians and Thracians had some E-V13 carriers among them, but that haplogroup was already concentrated here in large amounts because this peninsula was the starting point of it's spread across Europe and beyond. Basically it's native here, while R1a and R1b are native to the steppes only.

[Aspar]

You are wrong.
E-V13 didn't spread from the Middle East, that was it's parent e-m78.
The E-V13 mutation has occurred in Europe most probably where is most prominent.
Outside of Europe is miniscule.
E-M78 has indeed entered Europe from the Balkans during Neolithic.
But how long was here and did it survive the later invasions of nomadic people?
As I said, there is not any bronze age samples of E-V13 from the Balkans.
Most probably e-m78 didn't survive in the Balkans like the other Neolithic lineages but probably came later in the form of some Indo-European population.

[Livin]

What we don't know about Albanians is where proto-albanian language had spoken.

If thraco-illyrians brought the language then r1b its probably the main haplo.

As other users said, Ev13 and J2b are kinda neolithic haplos and cannot connected with steppe.

[CommonSense]

You are wrong.
E-V13 didn't spread from the Middle East, that was it's parent e-m78.
The E-V13 mutation has occurred in Europe most probably where is most prominent.
Outside of Europe is miniscule.
E-M78 has indeed entered Europe from the Balkans during Neolithic.
But how long was here and did it survive the later invasions of nomadic people?
As I said, there is not any bronze age samples of E-V13 from the Balkans.
Most probably e-m78 didn't survive in the Balkans like the other Neolithic lineages but probably came later in the form of some Indo-European population.

Alright. What haplogroups do you think were dominant here before the arrival of Indo-Europeans? J2b? G2?