Illyrian haplogroup...

[Aspar]

Alright. What haplogroups do you think were dominant here before the arrival of Indo-Europeans? J2b? G2?

G2, I2, T, E-M78, E-V22...
What I am trying to explain to you is that most of the modern carriers of E-V13 in the Balkans are not descending from the pre Indo-European people in the Balkans carrying E-M78 haplogroup but are descendants of a Neolithic population which survived in Central Europe and which was assimilated by the Indo-Europeans.
That's where the oldest branches of E-V13 are found

[Tauromachos]

What we don't know about Albanians is where proto-albanian language had spoken.

If thraco-illyrians brought the language then r1b its probably the main haplo.

Not only this but we also don't know since when it was spoken or existed in the regions of today

Ancient Epiros for example was Greek speaking

As other users said, Ev13 and J2b are kinda neolithic haplos and cannot connected with steppe.

Exactly

[Kelmendasi]

There is no evidence for that...
In fact if you look at y-full tree and the DNA projects of FTDNA, you will find that some important subclades of E-V13, e-cts9320 for example, are so widespread in Europe and have MRCA of only around 2800 ybp.
No Balkan group could have carried it all around Europe, but this suggests a spread from Central Europe and some possible cultures in relation with it, like Urnfield culture, Hallstatt culture, La Tene culture...
Don't forget that we still don't have bronze age E-V13 sample from the Balkans but we have J2a from Greece and J2b and R1b from bronze age Dalmatia.
We do have a Balkan iron age e-m78 sample from a Thracian though.
Of course, some older branches of E-V13 could have been present in the Balkans during bronze age but most of it have came during iron age I think.

Thing is E-V13 reaches it’s highest diversity in the Balkans, specifically the area between Montenegro and north Albania, suggesting expansion in that region. In my opinion, E-V13 had migrated out of the Balkans where it got Indo-Europeanised and then expanded all over Europe and certain areas of Asia again as a back migration. The E-M78 sample from Thrace is believed to be V13, it’s just that V13 wasn’t tested iirc. Also L618 was found in Neolithic Dalmatia and L618 is the father clade of V13. Still though even if V13 was spread into the Balkans with IE people’s then Illyrians and Thracians would still of had carried it.

[Kelmendasi]

Not only this but we also don't know since when it was spoken or existed in the regions of today

Ancient Epiros for example was Greek speaking



Exactly

Im sure that we know it was spoken during the Roman period. What area are you talking about when you mention Epiros?

[Kelmendasi]

G2, I2, T, E-M78, E-V22...
What I am trying to explain to you is that most of the modern carriers of E-V13 in the Balkans are not descending from the pre Indo-European people in the Balkans carrying E-M78 haplogroup but are descendants of a Neolithic population which survived in Central Europe and which was assimilated by the Indo-Europeans.
That's where the oldest branches of E-V13 are found

I doubt E-V22 would have been present and if it was it surely was in small amounts. I reckon E-V13 was present in the Neolithic population of the Balkans but perhaps it wasn’t that large in numbers.

[HELLBANIAN]

What I'm trying to say is, yes it's possible that the Illyrians and Thracians had some E-V13 carriers among them, but that haplogroup was already concentrated here in large amounts because this peninsula was the starting point of it's spread across Europe and beyond. Basically it's native here, while R1a and R1b are native to the steppes only.

Ilyrians and Thracians formed in the Balkans as populations. Ev13 has already been found of Thracians for example. They didn't just have some, obviously. Calling something native and the other one non native makes no sense at this point.

J2b2 L283 was found at a Bronze Age so most likely not Neolithic Balkan but came likely with IE invadors into Balkans.

[HELLBANIAN]

What we don't know about Albanians is where proto-albanian language had spoken.

If thraco-illyrians brought the language then r1b its probably the main haplo.

As other users said, Ev13 and J2b are kinda neolithic haplos and cannot connected with steppe.

Not only this but we also don't know since when it was spoken or existed in the regions of today

Ancient Epiros for example was Greek speaking



Exactly

We know it very well, actually. Only biased nationalists that pretend not to know. It was most certainly spoken in Northern Albania and plains of Kosovo.

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[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

r1a

[Onlyi2aIsEuropean]

r1a

No chance, r1a doesnt have any ancient history in south europe. V13 is more likely but not ruling out a few illyrians carrying i2a-din. i2a is the original european line that has been present in west/north and south europe for 20 thousand years. I am sure i2a people were assimilated by various tribes/cultures many times in central/south europe though dacians are more likely than illyrians