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    As we watch our culture become blander and less cohesive, we need to ask the hardest questions, about distraction and entertainment, about the possibility of participation and how this relates to liturgy as the ultimate word of art. From May 2019 Shared Inheritance conference, "Growing in the Likeness of God: Eastern Spirituality in the modern world".



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    People are too materialist on nowadays. It is like there's no rooms to metaphysical world. At my sundays's night when my mom takes a Bible's page to read and talk about with me my brothers, I feel myself great and distant from the daily's stress and hurry. Everybody should dedicate some time to develop a spiritual life. It's great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    People are too materialist on nowadays. It is like there's no rooms to metaphysical world. At my sundays's night when my mom takes a Bible's page to read and talk about with me my brothers, I feel myself great and distant from the daily's stress and hurry. Everybody should dedicate some time to develop a spiritual life. It's great.
    One can adhere to philosophical naturalism and some kind of idealism at the same time. If anything, modern people are overly pragmatic and generally don't care much about any higher concepts, which is indeed unfortunate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaris View Post
    One can adhere to philosophical naturalism and some kind of idealism at the same time. If anything, modern people are overly pragmatic and generally don't care much about any higher concepts, which is indeed unfortunate.
    Yes, I strongly agree with you. When you talk about "idealism", are you reffering to religions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    Yes, I strongly agree with you. When you talk about "idealism", are you reffering to religions?
    Not necessarily, but pretty much every religion comes with idealistic views indeed. Strong adherence to some ideals and principles is, however, not exclusive to religion. When I refer to 'idealism', I mean it in opposition to pragmatism, which is a view, that one should be concerned with practical consequences of action only. Idealism on the other hand requires some set of principles and actions are evaluated according to it. For example, as an idealist, I'd refuse to do certain things, even though doing so might be practical for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaris View Post
    Not necessarily, but pretty much every religion comes with idealistic views indeed. Strong adherence to some ideals and principles is, however, not exclusive to religion. When I refer to 'idealism', I mean it in opposition to pragmatism, which is a view, that one should be concerned with practical consequences of action only. Idealism on the other hand requires some set of principles and actions are evaluated according to it. For example, as an idealist, I'd refuse to do certain things, even though doing so might be practical for me.
    Are you a philosopher? I think the real world (the empirical one) is imperfect. When we create a new ideia on our minds, it is only an ideia (intact and perfect stage). But, when we try to put it into practice (in the real world), we'll always find problems and difficulties. I like Marx's view about theory and practice. Being pragmatic can be a big issue, according to what yout wrote (correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not an expert as you): if I do everything only thinking about the practical consequences, may I hurt others people. What really matters (to me) is what influence and make you do your actions. In fact, the consequences are very important, but what is behind your actions (education, values) is more important. Acting based on principles will make your actions IRL better I think. Sorry if my english is poor. It's hard to me write long phrases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    Are you a philosopher? I think the real world (the empirical one) is imperfect. When we create a new ideia on our minds, it is only an ideia (intact and perfect stage). But, when we try to put it into practice (in the real world), we'll always find problems and difficulties. I like Marx's view about theory and practice. Being pragmatic can be a big issue, according to what yout wrote (correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not an expert as you): if I do everything only thinking about the practical consequences, may I hurt others people. What really matters (to me) is what influence and make you do your actions. In fact, the consequences are very important, but what is behind your actions (education, values) is more important. Acting based on principles will make your actions IRL better I think. Sorry if my english is poor. It's hard to me write long phrases.
    I'm not, lol. But I do quite like field, mainly epistemology. You are correct with your points, implementation of certain principles into societies can indeed be problematic. Whether acting based on principles promotes pure well-being depends on the principles in question, but in either case, it would fall under the definition of idealism. Consider this example. Personally, I think of myself as a relatively decent person, but morality as we usually define it, isn't important to me in some ethereal sense, I behave decently (most of the time, anyway) not because I'm bound to a certain code of conduct, but because it is natural to me as a human being. In this regard, I wouldn't label myself as a moral idealist, though I certainly am an idealist in a broader sense, my actual ideals are just a bit different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaris View Post
    I'm not, lol. But I do quite like field, mainly epistemology. You are correct with your points, implementation of certain principles into societies can indeed be problematic. Whether acting based on principles promotes pure well-being depends on the principles in question, but in either case, it would fall under the definition of idealism. Consider this example. Personally, I think of myself as a relatively decent person, but morality as we usually define it, isn't important to me in some ethereal sense, I behave decently (most of the time, anyway) not because I'm bound to a certain code of conduct, but because it is natural to me as a human being. In this regard, I wouldn't label myself as a moral idealist, though I certainly am an idealist in a broader sense, my actual ideals are just a bit different.
    Interesting views.

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