BRITONS WUZ TROJANS

[Senpai]

nah mate the Lebor Gabála Érenn, is the only true source of the settlement of the British isle

I’ll look into it


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[PaleoEuropean]

they weren't all med/atlantid, there was brunns, celtic nordids, and probably some subnordids in the south were Gaulish refugees after Caesar's invasion lived

A lot of the Cro-Magnoid phenotypes come from the Native I2 population in South Western/Central Ireland. Ireland has the highest percent of Pre-history native Britons in the Isles. In England in some places they have gone extinct in recent times. I read somewhere I think it was in the South that the last person in England of a native clade would die and take the clade with him this generation. The I2 line in Briton was heavily bottle necked and there was a major lack of diversity before the Med's and Indo-Aryans came.

[Ayetooey]

A lot of the Cro-Magnoid phenotypes come from the Native I2 population in South Western/Central Ireland. Ireland has the highest percent of Pre-history native Britons in the Isles. In England in some places they have gone extinct in recent times. I read somewhere I think it was in the South that the last person in England of a native clade would die and take the clade with him this generation. The I2 line in Briton was heavily bottle necked and there was a major lack of diversity before the Med's and Indo-Aryans came.

I doubt this would happen, even if native I2 is 1% in Britain, that's like 600k out of 60 million, divided by 2 cos its males only, so 300 thousand men lol.

[PaleoEuropean]

I doubt this would happen, even if native I2 is 1% in Britain, that's like 600k out of 60 million, divided by 2 cos its males only, so 300 thousand men lol.

It was a specific downstream clade in a specific place in Southern England, in England the population was never super high. He has relatives in North America I am pretty sure it said, I can't find the article; but I read it a couple years ago. It just went extinct in his area of England and it was only some downstream clade of I-L161.1 which is already pretty rare clustered, but it's wide spread all the way down to Albania, just very scattered.

[Ayetooey]

It was a specific downstream clade in a specific place in Southern England, in England the population was never super high. He has relatives in North America I am pretty sure it said, I can't find the article; but I read it a couple years ago. It just went extinct in his area of England and it was only some downstream clade of I-L161.1 which is already pretty rare clustered, but it's wide spread all the way down to Albania, just very scattered.

That’s actually sad tbh. Rip.

[Grace O'Malley]

nah mate the Lebor Gabála Érenn, is the only true source of the settlement of the British isle

That's pseudo-history and invented by Irish monks to give the Irish a foundation myth like the Jewish people. If you believe the Irish are descendants of a Scythian Prince and an Egyptian Princess then be my guest. We know from genetics where they mainly originated from and they have the highest percentage of R1b-L21 of any population in the world which was brought in by Bell Beakers in the Bronze Age.

There is quite a good article on the Lebor Gabála Érenn on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebor_...1la_%C3%89renn

[TheOldNorth]

That's pseudo-history and invented by Irish monks to give the Irish a foundation myth like the Jewish people. If you believe the Irish are descendants of a Scythian Prince and an Egyptian Princess then be my guest. We know from genetics where they mainly originated from and they have the highest percentage of R1b-L21 of any population in the world which was brought in by Bell Beakers in the Bronze Age.

There is quite a good article on the Lebor Gabála Érenn on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebor_...1la_%C3%89renn

I mean, I was being sarcastic, but there is some truth to it, highly mythologized truth but truth non the less, like the fact that they came to Ireland from Iberia, and were originally from Scythia (aka the indo-european homeland), shows you how well ancient people can remember such things, just like the illiad, and the trojan war that actually happened (but without gods and demigods) about 500 years before it was written down...

[TheOldNorth]

I’ll look into it


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I was partially joking, but there is some mythologized, broad truths to it

[Grace O'Malley]

I mean, I was being sarcastic, but there is some truth to it, highly mythologized truth but truth non the less, like the fact that they came to Ireland from Iberia, and were originally from Scythia (aka the indo-european homeland), shows you how well ancient people can remember such things, just like the illiad, and the trojan war that actually happened (but without gods and demigods) about 500 years before it was written down...

No there is absolutely no truth in it. It was monks from the medieval ages and it was invented. If you look at a dna cluster map look where the Irish cluster. Do you think R1b-L21 is from Egypt? There have been quite a few studies on the Irish especially recently. They are just northwestern Europeans and have most likely not changed much since those Bell Beakers came in the Bronze Age. While exotic origins might appeal there no place for it when discussing genetics. Even before genetic studies were published it was fairly obvious who the Irish share most with just by looking at a dna cluster map. This was obvious back in 2008 with the Novembre map and while studies have come out they all confirm that the Irish are just like their neighbours.

This is the Novembre plot and they still use it today in lectures and genetic studies because nothing has really changed and populations still cluster in the same place.

The only error on this was Slovak who is obviously Jewish so not sure what happened there? I sure there is a explanation somewhere about it but I can't be bothered looking at the minute.



I've always said to people that if you just look at a genetic plot it can tell you a lot already without even reading a study. I do read the studies though because this is what I'm interested in.

[Loki]

Isn't there also a myth about the Trojan descent of the Franks? There are many such stories about supposed ancient origins, linking European peoples to ancient cultures further to the east and south. Some of it might be true, or at least carry a partial element of truth. It's interesting to explore and consider these theories.